Any progress on realistic rotating black holes?

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The discussion revolves around the current state of research on realistic rotating black holes, particularly in the context of general relativity and alternative theories. Participants explore theoretical models, existing literature, and the challenges associated with understanding the properties of rotating black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while there is an idealistic solution for non-rotating black holes, the realistic solutions for rotating black holes are still unclear, particularly regarding the nature of the ring singularity.
  • Another participant mentions that there is a fair amount of work on the topic, citing specific papers by Andrew Hamilton and Ori, but does not provide a comprehensive survey of the literature.
  • There is a humorous correction regarding the name of Andrew Hamilton, clarifying that it is not Alexander Hamilton, the historical figure.
  • Some participants express that the questions surrounding the uniqueness and stability of the "outside" part of spacetime for rotating black holes remain unresolved.
  • One participant raises concerns about the lack of recent numerical solutions since 2010, suggesting that the focus on computational resources may have shifted away from this area of research.
  • A participant provides a link to a Wikipedia page on numerical relativity, indicating that there are references available for further exploration.

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Participants generally agree that the topic is complex and that significant questions remain unresolved. Multiple competing views and uncertainties are present regarding the nature of rotating black holes and the progress in the field.

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Limitations include unresolved questions about the uniqueness and stability of rotating black holes, the potential existence of inner horizons, and the dependency on assumptions made in theoretical models.

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Idealistic solution for non-rotating BH includes a "white hole part"
However, realistic solution is different
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For the rotating BH we have an ideal solution with an "eternal" ring singularity inside, which can't be realistic, as ring, as I said, is "eternal" and there is no transition of collapsing matter into that ring.

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So for the rotating BH we I know only the "idealistic" picture.
The questions I have:
1. Is there any progress on that subject?
2. Can it be solved, in principle, without taking QM into account (as QM can be preventing spacetime from forming CTLs)
3. Even not taking QM into account, what is a difference between the rotating BH in standard GR and Einstein–Cartan theory? How far that difference "propagate"? Does it propagate to the exterior of BH?
 
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There's a fair amount of work on the topic, I believe. I don't have a complete list, but I know Andrew Hamilton has a few papers. One such is arxiv https://arxiv.org/abs/0903.2021. ((Add: also https://arxiv.org/abs/1108.3512 and https://arxiv.org/abs/1010.1272 - do an author search on arxiv for potentially more)). Ori has some papers too, see for instance http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.68.2117

Hamilton's work is based on earlier papers by Poisson IIRC.

Don't regard this reply as thourogh survey of the literature - it's not. It's basically a couple of papers that might help you get started and track down more papers.
 
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pervect said:
Alexander Hamilton

I think you mean Andrew Hamilton. AFAIK the first Secretary of the Treasury didn't go and hover close to a black hole's horizon for a while and then come back to Earth a couple of centuries later to take up physics. :wink:
 
PeterDonis said:
I think you mean Andrew Hamilton. AFAIK the first Secretary of the Treasury didn't go and hover close to a black hole's horizon for a while and then come back to Earth a couple of centuries later to take up physics. :wink:
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I would guess that it is a difficult question. Even for the "outside" part of the space-time not all is understood. For example uniqueness questions (with reasonable assumptions i.e. without analyticity) and stability questions are not yet settled.
 
martinbn said:
I would guess that it is a difficult question. Even for the "outside" part of the space-time not all is understood. For example uniqueness questions (with reasonable assumptions i.e. without analyticity) and stability questions are not yet settled.

Even this question could be too difficult to solve it analytically, I expected to find numerical solutions. But the most recent I found was dated 2010,
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1006.0663.pdf
already with CUDA usage. However, they had assumed the existence of the inner horizon (and I am not sure it exists - inside the inner horizon lies an area with CTLs, QM prevents CTLs, so probably there is no inner horizon at all )))

And nothing since 2010... Looks like all GPU resources on the planet were allocated to bitcoin mining )
 

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