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humanino said:
Im talking about future the industry, not Oscars. Industry wants money. If smell will bring money, they'll give you smell.
Anybody disappointed that James Cameron didn't win Oscars
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The discussion centers around the film "Avatar" and its reception at the Oscars, particularly in comparison to "The Hurt Locker." Participants acknowledge the significant effort and technological advancements that went into "Avatar," arguing that director James Cameron should be recognized for pushing cinematic boundaries. However, there is a strong sentiment that special effects cannot replace a compelling narrative, with many asserting that "Avatar" lacks depth and originality. Some participants express disappointment that "The Hurt Locker" won Best Picture, suggesting it was not engaging enough, while others argue that it had a superior storyline. The conversation also touches on the subjective nature of what constitutes the "best" film, with box office success being debated as a measure of quality. Ultimately, the thread reflects a divide between valuing technical innovation and prioritizing storytelling in cinema, with varying opinions on the significance of awards like the Oscars in recognizing artistic merit.
Im talking about future the industry, not Oscars. Industry wants money. If smell will bring money, they'll give you smell.
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magnusrobot12 said:
Im 36.
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Hinting at honesty ... maybe a form of prejudice ?
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I really do hope that my generation is capable of more respect towards the young generation.
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Well, I'm sorry I did not understand, I thought we were talking about Oscars.DanP said:
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In my short time being here, I do not think I have seen one thread get past 2 pages with peaceful conversation!
Avatar = Halo 3 and Cats the musical
The Hurt Locker = Rambo in an EOD squad
Avatar = Halo 3 and Cats the musical
The Hurt Locker = Rambo in an EOD squad
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DanP said:
You and i are the same age then. i too am "still very young". I'm 40 and you are apparently 36. Dont believe you but that is OK. Take care.
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MotoH said:
Its been only 12 hours since the topic began and we are already on page 5.
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magnusrobot12 said:. Dont believe you but that is OK. Take care.
Are you calling me a liar ? Do you want to rephrase it, perhaps ?
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DanP said:
I'm sorry Dan, but i don't believe you.
Wow, my post count is getting larger. I'll be at 1000 in no-time thanks to Dan.
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You should not make this kind of statement. It does not reflect well on you.magnusrobot12 said:
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I do not see any claim that DanP has made about his age that could be concluded to be false.
Other than "I am still very young", I see no comment from him at all, and that comment cannot be falsified.
Other than "I am still very young", I see no comment from him at all, and that comment cannot be falsified.
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DaveC426913 said:
I was only making the point that DanP was ignoring logic when it was hurting his argument. I did not mean to make a generalization of the forum as a whole. I apologize for my carelessness. Thank you Dave for bringing this to my attention. Magnus
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DaveC426913 said:
Yes, you are correct. I have no evidence that he is not 36. Just picking on him right now. You are correct again Dave. Thank you, Magnus
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magnusrobot12 said:
Yes, understandable for certain psychological profiles. It doesn't make any difference in fact if you believe me or not, the take home message for you is that you should respect more the younger generation.
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magnusrobot12 said:
Wise beyond your age.
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DanP said:
I have a young child and i will do everything in my power to love him, cherish him, respect him. I have nothing against young people at all. In the contrary, i love young people. I was a high school teacher for 2 years before going back to graduate school. There is no doubt that i respect young people.
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magnusrobot12 said:I'm sorry Dan, but i don't believe you.
Wow, my post count is getting larger. I'll be at 1000 in no-time thanks to Dan.
Posts in GD doesn't count
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Lisa! said:Posts in GD doesn't count
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No, that's the SAG awards.
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Avatar was a fairly dull movie, its special effects were, for example, less to boast about than, say, Lord of the Rings.
As for the storyline, it never was anywhere near, say, the Star Wars movies, LOTR, or, for that matter, Titanic.
All in all, a piece of forgettable glitz.
As for the storyline, it never was anywhere near, say, the Star Wars movies, LOTR, or, for that matter, Titanic.
All in all, a piece of forgettable glitz.
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Oh and btw, Inglorious Bastards and District 9 were ten times better than Avatar and THL. QT gets jiped again.
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After further reflection, I have to wonder whether young people had significantly different opinions about the movie than old people. In the thread "Watched Avatar yet?" almost everybody, from teenagers to sixty-year-olds, expressed the same opinion: good special effects, bad plot. All of the back-and-forth arguing is over the relative significance of the two.
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Holy earlier when I woke up this thread was only at 2 pages long, actually it was just barely 2 pages with Chi's post. Come back on and there are 5 pages now. Most of it useless bickering, meh.
Anyways I think that Avatar did not deserve best movie Oscar it was actually pretty boring, it was rediculously long I thought and everything was predictable.
To argue that the film was the best because it made xxx amount of money isn't really the greatest comparison to make between movies. For instance 1 ticket to Avatar cost about twice as much as a regular movie ticket. I think that Avatar was also marketed better than Hurt Locker and Avatar attracted an audience that would go see the movie 3-4 times in theatres, each time spending twice the amount of a regular ticket to see it in I-MAX.
This is also beside the fact that a financially successful movie doesn't necessarily equate with best movie. Financial success has to do more with the audience being targeted and the marketing done for the movie. There was never a doubt in my mind that Harry Potter movies would earn a LOT of money. Having read the books and been a fan of the books it was clear to me that whoever picked up the opportunity to make the movies was going to earn a killing. The movies weren't however ALL that great, same for Dark Knight... I thought it was a pretty stupid movie overall.
In my opinion one of the best movies ever was Shawshank Redemption, did that movie do well in the box office? Not particularly. On the other hand I really like the original Jurassic Park movie, and it did very well financially. So my conclusion to all this is that financial success doesn't automatically equate with best movie success. In some cases it may be an indicator but it's far from the determining factor.
@magnus, I don't see why you are making stereotypical comments towards young people. I would consider myself to be a young person, at 21, and I would have to disagree with you about 'young' people being attracted to all the special effects. The majority of my friends have never really liked those types of movies and when we discuss which movies are our all time favorites none really come up that were 'special effects' monsters. (even out of our childhood) I also really doubt that you are 40 years old, the manner of your posts and just the way you present your ideas makes it seem to me that your probably much younger.
Anyways I think that Avatar did not deserve best movie Oscar it was actually pretty boring, it was rediculously long I thought and everything was predictable.
To argue that the film was the best because it made xxx amount of money isn't really the greatest comparison to make between movies. For instance 1 ticket to Avatar cost about twice as much as a regular movie ticket. I think that Avatar was also marketed better than Hurt Locker and Avatar attracted an audience that would go see the movie 3-4 times in theatres, each time spending twice the amount of a regular ticket to see it in I-MAX.
This is also beside the fact that a financially successful movie doesn't necessarily equate with best movie. Financial success has to do more with the audience being targeted and the marketing done for the movie. There was never a doubt in my mind that Harry Potter movies would earn a LOT of money. Having read the books and been a fan of the books it was clear to me that whoever picked up the opportunity to make the movies was going to earn a killing. The movies weren't however ALL that great, same for Dark Knight... I thought it was a pretty stupid movie overall.
In my opinion one of the best movies ever was Shawshank Redemption, did that movie do well in the box office? Not particularly. On the other hand I really like the original Jurassic Park movie, and it did very well financially. So my conclusion to all this is that financial success doesn't automatically equate with best movie success. In some cases it may be an indicator but it's far from the determining factor.
@magnus, I don't see why you are making stereotypical comments towards young people. I would consider myself to be a young person, at 21, and I would have to disagree with you about 'young' people being attracted to all the special effects. The majority of my friends have never really liked those types of movies and when we discuss which movies are our all time favorites none really come up that were 'special effects' monsters. (even out of our childhood) I also really doubt that you are 40 years old, the manner of your posts and just the way you present your ideas makes it seem to me that your probably much younger.
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MotoH said:
Although I really didn't like either movie I'd have to agree that they were better than Avatar. Inglorious Bastards wasn't that great but it was probably because of the expectations I went in with. District 9 was a good movie as well but towards the end I was starting to get bored of watching it and I definitely wouldn't watch it again.
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Anyone else here liked "Up in the Air" ?
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ideasrule said:
Yeah.. its (1+sqrt(5))/2
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DanP said:
If you want an award for "most popular film", you need to look to the People's Choice Awards. The Academy Awards simply use a different criteria. They have that right, it is their award.
It seems a bit silly to complain that an award show gave an award out on the basis of its own criteria.
If however,
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Responding to Janus: I find that popularity is often [usually] inversely proportional to quality.
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Ivan Seeking said:
It's a shame how many blank stares I've received after mentioning Primer to video store clerks. Talk about an excellent movie which has absolutely zero special effects.
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Magnus how does being 40 make you old? It's a very young age. Wait until get 50, then reflect how wise you were in your 40s, and then when you get 60, reflect how wise you were in your 50s, and so on, until you get to 100.
As far as me, well I'm 25. And I'm perfectly content to say I'm the least wisest person in the world.
As a member of the younger generation I do however have some movie preferences. I crave movies like Nietzsche Wept, Man from Earth, 2001 Space Odyssey, Primer, Pianist, District 9 etc... and anything that has the deep philosophical implications. And I tend to stay away from many popular mainstream flicks.
So why do I praise Cameron? Well, for being bold and doing something no one has done before. Avatar is unique. Most directors settle for less. Most directors make quick and cheap flicks with existing techniques. But Cameron wanted more. He demanded technology that wasn't previously available, and one that will be a bench mark for movies in the next decade.
He thinks in terms of the future, and not the past. That's why I'd give him the Oscars. Especially considering how short the list was to choose from.
As far the plot? I don't care. I think "Man from Earth" a $200,000 budget movie shot in the living room for an hour and a half has a better plot. But the quality of craftsmanship of Avatar surpasses anything that was done before.
As far as me, well I'm 25. And I'm perfectly content to say I'm the least wisest person in the world.
As a member of the younger generation I do however have some movie preferences. I crave movies like Nietzsche Wept, Man from Earth, 2001 Space Odyssey, Primer, Pianist, District 9 etc... and anything that has the deep philosophical implications. And I tend to stay away from many popular mainstream flicks.
So why do I praise Cameron? Well, for being bold and doing something no one has done before. Avatar is unique. Most directors settle for less. Most directors make quick and cheap flicks with existing techniques. But Cameron wanted more. He demanded technology that wasn't previously available, and one that will be a bench mark for movies in the next decade.
He thinks in terms of the future, and not the past. That's why I'd give him the Oscars. Especially considering how short the list was to choose from.
As far the plot? I don't care. I think "Man from Earth" a $200,000 budget movie shot in the living room for an hour and a half has a better plot. But the quality of craftsmanship of Avatar surpasses anything that was done before.
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But then again, let us not forget the painfully slow English Patient that won an Oscar a few years back. A movie like that would have benefited from a little George Lucas technology.