Anything than can happen, will happen, given enough time

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether anything that can happen will eventually happen given infinite time, particularly in the context of atomic arrangements and the formation of planets. Participants explore various laws and theories that might relate to this idea, including probabilistic reasoning and philosophical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that anything physically possible will eventually occur given infinite time, questioning if there is a law or expression to support this idea.
  • Another participant humorously references Murphy's Law as a potential related concept.
  • A different participant proposes the Poincaré recurrence theorem as a relevant mathematical framework, noting it deals with the time required for a system to return to an initial state.
  • Another mentions the Drake equation in the context of intelligent life, suggesting it relates to the probability of events occurring in the universe.
  • One participant discusses the probability of an event occurring over time, using the example of flipping a coin, indicating that while events can happen, they do not necessarily have to occur given enough time.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the original claim, arguing that just because something can happen does not mean it will, citing human agency and decision-making as factors that can prevent certain events from occurring.
  • One participant raises the idea of parallel universes, questioning their theoretical nature and the validity of such concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the idea that anything that can happen will happen, while others strongly contest this notion, emphasizing human choice and the theoretical nature of certain concepts. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of their arguments, including the dependence on definitions of "can happen" and the philosophical implications of free will versus determinism. There is also a mention of the speculative nature of parallel universes without definitive proof.

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Anything that can physically be true, will eventually be true given infinite time right? Is there a law or an expression which I can use to express this statement? Obviously we're talking about arrangement and forumation of atoms ect. I already know that if you had 2 atoms traveling parallel to each other they would never diverge but I'm talking about arrangements of atoms.

So for example given enough time there will be a planet which forms which is an exact replica of earth, but instead I am an exact replica of Newton but I'm asking this question dressed as a banana.

I know it sounds outrageous but those kind of statement are true right?

tldr; is there an equation or law that explains "anything than can happen, will happen, given enough time"
 
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The only law I can think of is Murphy's Law...
 
Although I've never done any calculations related to it personally, I imagine Poincare recurrence theorem might be what you're looking for. It concerns the amount of time necessary for a system to return to a given initial state.
 
MathJakob said:
is there an equation or law that explains "anything that can happen, will happen, given enough time"

As you've phrased it, no.

However, you can write down the probability of the event having happened by time ##T##, and you can consider the limit as ##T## approaches \infty.

For example, say you're flipping an honest coin once a second. Obviously it can happen that the coin lands heads-up eventually. But must it do so, given enough time? The probability of the coin landing heads-up at least once in N flips is ##1-2^{-N}##. That's never equal to 1, but you can make it as close to 1 as you wish by choosing a large enough value of N.
 
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'Anything THAT can happen, will happen, given enough time'.
 
Anything that can happen may not happen even if given enough time.For example,think about us,humans.We CAN kill people.Think about yourself.If you are not willing to do something,then even if YOU are given a lifetime,you will not do it.If you are forced,it's not you doing it.So not everything that CAN happen,will happen,given enough time
 
adjacent said:
Anything that can happen may not happen even if given enough time.For example,think about us,humans.We CAN kill people.Think about yourself.If you are not willing to do something,then even if YOU are given a lifetime,you will not do it.If you are forced,it's not you doing it.So not everything that CAN happen,will happen,given enough time

But in an infinite universe there will be a me that does kill someone?
 
Parallel universes,like in this thread,(https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=325209)are just theoretical,they are not proven.We don't know for sure whether they exist or not.That doesn't even make any sense at all.There were many theoretical theories which seems very strong but disproved later.Like Aristotle's planet revolving around Earth theory,Some ancient greek saying that sun was 1 inch long,and many more.
 
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Why this in the math forums, I have no idea.

Thread closed, pending moderation.

Zz.
 

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