AP Physics C-E&M: Calculating q_encl

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The discussion revolves around calculating the enclosed charge (q_encl) in the context of AP Physics C-E&M. Participants explore the correct approach to integrate charge density to find q_encl, emphasizing the relationship between charge density and the total charge within a Gaussian surface. There is some confusion regarding the integration process and the substitution of values into the expression for q_encl. Clarifications are made about ensuring the integration aligns with the problem's requirements and the correct application of the equations. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of accurately interpreting the problem statement and applying the relevant equations.
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Homework Statement



http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/ap/ap14_frq_Physics_C-E-M.pdf

#3 c ii)

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The Attempt at a Solution

##\oint E\cdot dA = \dfrac{q_{encl}}{\epsilon_0}##

To find q_encl would this be correct;

## q_{encl} = \int \dfrac{-\beta}{r^2}\cdot e^{-r/\alpha}\cdot (4\pi r^2)dr##

then integrating that, and substituting it into the expression for q_{encl}.##E = \dfrac{q_{encl} }{\epsilon_0 \cdot 4\pi r^2}##
 
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The calculation do not appear to relate to E&M 3 c ii.
You are given the charge density already. What is the relationship between that and the charge enclosed?
 
Well the charge density is not the actual charge (q enclosed), so i integrated the expression of:
density * surface area *dr to get a thin spherical shell of charge which accumulates. This would be q enclosed.

Is this correct?
 
The q-enclosed is the charge enclosed inside the gaussian surface.
It sounds like you have the right approach to work it out.

Note: your second line is the expression for q-enclosed.
You then say "integrate that and substitute into the expression for q-enclosed" ... i.e. into itself.
This is what threw me off.

Presumably you mean - substitute into into another expression to find E.
 
darksyesider said:


The Attempt at a Solution




##\oint E\cdot dA = \dfrac{q_{encl}}{\epsilon_0}##

To find q_encl would this be correct;

## q_{encl} = \int \dfrac{-\beta}{r^2}\cdot e^{-r/\alpha}\cdot (4\pi r^2)dr##

Partially correct. Reread the very first sentence of the problem. Besides the equation for the electron charge density, what else does the model consist of?

then integrating that, and substituting it into the expression for q_{encl}.


##E = \dfrac{q_{encl} }{\epsilon_0 \cdot 4\pi r^2}##
Yes, that is the idea.
 
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