Question on AP Physics C FRQ 2013. #3

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem from the AP Physics C exam, specifically focusing on the dynamics of a disk in equilibrium and the forces acting on it, including tension and applied forces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the expressions used in the solution, questioning the relationships between the applied force, tension, and gravitational force. They discuss the implications of the disk being in equilibrium and the necessity of considering torque.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made in the solution, particularly regarding the tension in the ropes and the conditions for equilibrium. Some have provided insights into the need for balancing torques, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the conditions of equilibrium and the transition to non-equilibrium in part B of the problem, which may affect the interpretation of forces and torques.

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Homework Statement


http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/ap/apcentral/ap13_frq_physics_c_mechanics.pdf

The problem is above. It is number 3.

The solutions are below:
http://media.collegeboard.com/digit...entral/ap13_physics_cm_scoring_guidelines.pdf

Homework Equations


Torque= I * angular acceleration, F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution

My questions are the following:

Why do they in part a of the solution do the expression 2Fa-mg=0?
I understand that they have Fa acting on the object and mg, but why do they have the left rope's tension equal Fa?And then in part B, why do they have the expression Fa + T - Mg = Ma, meaning why do they have Fa != T. And then they substitute the T from the torque equation. Why is doing the problem in this manner necessary, with a separate value for T, which does not equal Fa?
 
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RoboNerd said:
Why do they in part a of the solution do the expression 2Fa-mg=0?
I understand that they have Fa acting on the object and mg, but why do they have the left rope's tension equal Fa?
You are told that the disk is at rest (in equilibrium).

In part B the disk is no longer in equilibrium.
 
Yeah, but when it is at equilibrium, then couldn't I just write it as Fa-mg = 0.

Maybe it is because the Fa is causing a torque on the right side and we need an equal force to counteract it from the left side to have sum of torques cancel?
 
RoboNerd said:
Yeah, but when it is at equilibrium, then couldn't I just write it as Fa-mg = 0.
That assumes the tension on the left segment is zero. And it wouldn't satisfy rotational equilibrium.

RoboNerd said:
Maybe it is because the Fa is causing a torque on the right side and we need an equal force to counteract it from the left side to have sum of torques cancel?
Right!
 
Yeah that makes sense. Thanks a lot!
 

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