AP Physics C-E&M: Calculating q_encl

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The discussion revolves around calculating the enclosed charge (q_encl) in the context of an AP Physics C-E&M problem, specifically related to electric fields and charge density. Participants are examining the relationship between charge density and the total charge enclosed within a Gaussian surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss integrating charge density to find the total charge enclosed, with some questioning the appropriateness of the integration approach. There are inquiries about the relationship between charge density and q_encl, as well as clarifications on the expressions used for calculating q_encl.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the approach to finding q_encl. Some have pointed out potential misunderstandings in the integration process and the relationship between charge density and the enclosed charge. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a specific problem statement that includes a charge density model, which may not have been fully considered in the initial attempts. Participants are encouraged to revisit the problem statement for clarity.

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Homework Statement



http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/ap/ap14_frq_Physics_C-E-M.pdf

#3 c ii)

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The Attempt at a Solution

##\oint E\cdot dA = \dfrac{q_{encl}}{\epsilon_0}##

To find q_encl would this be correct;

## q_{encl} = \int \dfrac{-\beta}{r^2}\cdot e^{-r/\alpha}\cdot (4\pi r^2)dr##

then integrating that, and substituting it into the expression for q_{encl}.##E = \dfrac{q_{encl} }{\epsilon_0 \cdot 4\pi r^2}##
 
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The calculation do not appear to relate to E&M 3 c ii.
You are given the charge density already. What is the relationship between that and the charge enclosed?
 
Well the charge density is not the actual charge (q enclosed), so i integrated the expression of:
density * surface area *dr to get a thin spherical shell of charge which accumulates. This would be q enclosed.

Is this correct?
 
The q-enclosed is the charge enclosed inside the gaussian surface.
It sounds like you have the right approach to work it out.

Note: your second line is the expression for q-enclosed.
You then say "integrate that and substitute into the expression for q-enclosed" ... i.e. into itself.
This is what threw me off.

Presumably you mean - substitute into into another expression to find E.
 
darksyesider said:


The Attempt at a Solution




##\oint E\cdot dA = \dfrac{q_{encl}}{\epsilon_0}##

To find q_encl would this be correct;

## q_{encl} = \int \dfrac{-\beta}{r^2}\cdot e^{-r/\alpha}\cdot (4\pi r^2)dr##

Partially correct. Reread the very first sentence of the problem. Besides the equation for the electron charge density, what else does the model consist of?

then integrating that, and substituting it into the expression for q_{encl}.


##E = \dfrac{q_{encl} }{\epsilon_0 \cdot 4\pi r^2}##
Yes, that is the idea.
 

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