AP Physics: The Impact on Success in Physics and Engineering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of not having access to AP Physics and calculus in high school on future success in physics and engineering. Participants explore concerns about being at a disadvantage, alternative learning options, and the importance of self-study in these subjects.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that not taking AP Physics or calculus may put students at a disadvantage in physics and engineering fields.
  • Others argue that the fear of falling behind is exaggerated, suggesting that success depends more on individual interest and effort rather than specific classes taken in high school.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of learning calculus early, suggesting that self-study can help students get ahead.
  • Some participants share personal experiences of successfully self-studying AP courses and achieving high scores, indicating that self-study is a viable option for gaining AP credits.
  • There are suggestions to take physics classes at community colleges during the summer, though some participants note potential bureaucratic hurdles involved in this process.
  • One participant mentions that colleges consider the opportunities available at a student's current school when making admissions decisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on whether not taking AP Physics or calculus is detrimental. Multiple competing views remain regarding the importance of these courses and the effectiveness of self-study.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the variability in educational opportunities based on location, such as the availability of AP courses and community college options, which may affect individual experiences and outcomes.

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It's not offered in my small Idahoan school. Does this put me behind the game? All my older friends that went into physics/engineering say that the kids without it or calculus in high school never did as well.
Is this true, or is it just a scare? :frown:
 
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It's a scare. You're 1 class out of 20 behind (assuming you could even get credit). Then again its possible that the students they're talking about didnt take calculus or AP physics because they had no strong interest in science/engineering so it would make sense that they don't do well.

Whatever, point is, it's a scare, forget about it.
 
If it's not offered, then don't worry about it. Just concentrate on getting good grades and learning the material in the classes that you do take.
 
If you want to study physics, then you should learn calculus as early as possible. If it is not taught in school then you should learn it on your own.

This is not something you should be scared about. You should think of moving ahead of everyone instead of falling behind. I.e. if you just do what is required of you, you'll perform just like everyone else. If you study harder, you'll move ahead. And the best time to move ahead is years before you go to university.

When I was at university, I noted that the best of the best students happened to be the onces who had mastered calculus at a young age and who liked to do math problems on their own for fun.
 
Actually you can self-study the course and take the exam and you will still receive AP credits. There isn't a single college I know that does not allow this.

When I was in High school, AP Calculus BC was not offered. I had to self-study on my own. Thankfully, I got a 5. And I am no genius either.

Funny thing is, the people that took the AP Calc AB in my school (in a classroom with a teacher) got 4s (few of them got a 5, the majority were 4s)
 
another idea would be to take a physics class at a community college during the summer. I'm not sure what the costs are like in idaho, but in san diego it's only $26 per unit.
 
Danton said:
another idea would be to take a physics class at a community college during the summer. I'm not sure what the costs are like in idaho, but in san diego it's only $26 per unit.

True, but most colleges require high school students a letter of support from a moderator such as the Principal in most cases. Some required grades and perhaps some letters of support from math teachers. It can be quite tedious if you think about it.
 
flyingpig said:
Actually you can self-study the course and take the exam and you will still receive AP credits. There isn't a single college I know that does not allow this.
I was actually wondering if I could do this.
Awesome. I think that I will actually do that, since it makes more sense. Thanks.
I love physics. :D
 
Colleges will base their decisions on the opportunities present at your current school...

I am currently taking AP Physics and see no reason why you couldn't self study this course... especially since you probably are an intelligent individual, and if you are already enrolled in some sort of physics course it would be that much easier...
 

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