-apc.4.1.2 Find the slope at x=4

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The discussion revolves around finding the slope of the tangent line to the function \( f(x) = -x^2 + 4\sqrt{x} \) at the point where \( x = 4 \). Participants explore the implications of this calculation, including the equation of the tangent line and the value of the slope.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of finding the slope at \( x = 4 \) and provides multiple choice answers.
  • Another participant suggests a point-slope form of the tangent line equation, indicating a slope of -7.
  • There is a discussion about the calculation of \( f(4) \) and its implications for the tangent line equation.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the slope of -7 is correct, with one participant mentioning a discrepancy found using a tool called cameramath, which suggests the answer is -8.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the difference between \( f(4) \) and \( f'(4) \), indicating potential confusion in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the slope value, with some asserting it is -7 while others question this and suggest it may be -8. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct slope and the implications for the tangent line equation.

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There is ambiguity regarding the definitions of \( f(4) \) and \( f'(4) \), which may affect the understanding of the tangent line's slope. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the multiple choice options provided at the beginning.

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$\tiny{apc.4.1.2}$
Find the slope of the tangent line to the graph of
$f(x)=-x^2+4\sqrt{x}$ at $x=4$
$a.\ 8\quad b.\ -10\quad c.\ -9\quad d.\ -5\quad e.\ -7$

$f'(x)=-2x+\frac{2}{\sqrt{x}}$
$m=f'(4)=-2(4)+\frac{2}{\sqrt{4}}=-7$ which is (e)

however not asked for here but I forgot how to find $b$ of $y=-7x+b$
 
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$y - f(4) = -7(x-4)$

clean it up ...
 
skeeter said:
$y - f(4) = -7(x-4)$

clean it up ...

that didn't seem to be a tangent line to f{x}
$-8=-7(4)+b$
$-8+28=20=b$

$y=-7x+20$
 
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the equation in my previous post is in point-slope form, $y - y_1 = m(x - x_1)$ where $m = -7, \, x_1 = 4 \text{ and } y_1 = f(4)$

$f(4) = -8$

$y + 8 = -7(x - 4) \implies y = -7x + 20$
 
karush said:
that didn't seem to be a tangent line to f{x}
$-8=-7(4)+b$
$-8+28=20=b$

$y=-7x+20$
Yes, it is. Since $f(x)= -x^2+ 4\sqrt{x}$ so $f(4)= -4^2+4\sqrt{4}= -16+ 8= -8$. That is, the expression skeeter gave, $y- f(4)= -7(x- 4)$ becomes $y- (-8)= y+ 8= -7x+ 28$ so, subtracting 8 from both sides, $y= -7x+ 20$ as you have.
 
Is the option wrong? I used cameramath and the answer is -8

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TiffanyBK said:
Is the option wrong? I used cameramath and the answer is -8

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The answer to what question? You want to find the equation of the tangent line to $f(x)= -x^2+ 4\sqrt{x}$ at x= 4. You have already determined that the derivative of f, so the slope of the tangent line, at x= 4 is -7. Thus you know that the equation of the tangent line is y= -7x+ b for some number, b. So what is the value of y at x= 4? $y= f(4)= -(4^2)+ 4\sqrt{4}= -16+ 4(2)= -8$ -8 is the value of f(4). But that is not necessarily b! Now we know that we must have y= -7(4)+ b= -28+ b= -8. Adding 28 to both sides, b= 20.

The equation of the tangent line at x= 4 is y= -7x+ 20.
 
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well i think the confusion was f(4) vs f'(4)
 

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