Apostal Chapter 4 - Cauchy Sequences - Example 1, Section 4.3, page 73

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding Example 1 from section 4.3 on Cauchy Sequences in Apostol's Mathematical Analysis. Participants seek clarification on the inequalities presented in the example, specifically regarding the expression for the difference between terms in a sequence and how to demonstrate certain inequalities involving these terms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Peter requests help in understanding how to show that $$| x_m - x_n | = | \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \ ... \pm \frac{1}{m}| < \frac{1}{n} \le \frac{1}{N}$$.
  • Chisigma provides a series of inequalities, suggesting that $$\frac{1}{n} > \frac{1}{n+1} > \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3}$$, and continues the pattern with further terms.
  • Peter expresses confusion about the specific inequality $$\frac{1}{n+1} > \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3}$$ and seeks further clarification.
  • Mark responds by reformulating the inequality, showing that it is equivalent to $$0 > \frac{1}{n+3} - \frac{1}{n+2}$$, which leads to $$\frac{1}{n+2} > \frac{1}{n+3}$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the inequalities, with some seeking clarification while others provide insights. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the inequalities, indicating ongoing uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific properties of sequences and inequalities without fully resolving the mathematical steps involved in the inequalities presented. The discussion reflects a dependence on the definitions and assumptions related to Cauchy sequences.

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I need some help in fully understanding Example 1, section 4.3 Cauchy Sequences, page 73 of Apostol, Mathematical Analysis.

Example 1, page 73 reads as follows:
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In the above text, Apostol writes:

" ... ... If $$m \gt n \ge N$$ we find (by taking successive terms in pairs) that

$$| x_m - x_n |$$

$$= | \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \ ... \ \pm \frac{1}{m}| \lt \frac{1}{n} \le \frac{1}{N} $$

... ... "Can someone please explain to me exactly how we can show that

$$| x_m - x_n |$$

$$= | \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \ ... \ \pm \frac{1}{m}| \lt \frac{1}{n} \le \frac{1}{N} $$Help will be appreciated,

Peter
 
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Peter said:
I need some help in fully understanding Example 1, section 4.3 Cauchy Sequences, page 73 of Apostol, Mathematical Analysis.

In the above text, Apostol writes:

" ... ... If $$m \gt n \ge N$$ we find (by taking successive terms in pairs) that

$$| x_m - x_n |$$

$$= | \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \ ... \ \pm \frac{1}{m}| \lt \frac{1}{n} \le \frac{1}{N} $$

... ... "Can someone please explain to me exactly how we can show that

$$| x_m - x_n |$$

$$= | \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \ ... \ \pm \frac{1}{m}| \lt \frac{1}{n} \le \frac{1}{N} $$

For any n is...

$\displaystyle \frac {1}{n} > \frac{1}{n+1} > \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3} > \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3} - \frac{1}{n+4} + \frac{1}{n+5} > ...$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
For any n is...

$\displaystyle \frac {1}{n} > \frac{1}{n+1} > \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3} > \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3} - \frac{1}{n+4} + \frac{1}{n+5} > ...$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
Thanks chisigma ... appreciate the help ...

BUT ... can you please help further ...

Why exactly is

$$\frac{1}{n+1} \gt \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3}?$$

Can you help?

Petger
 
Peter said:
...Why exactly is

$$\frac{1}{n+1} \gt \frac{1}{n+1} - \frac{1}{n+2} + \frac{1}{n+3}?$$

Can you help?

Peter

Hello Peter! (Wave)

The above inequality is equivalent to (found by subtracting $$\frac{1}{n+1}$$ from both sides):

$$0\gt\frac{1}{n+3}-\frac{1}{n+2}$$

Or:

$$\frac{1}{n+2}\gt\frac{1}{n+3}$$
 
MarkFL said:
Hello Peter! (Wave)

The above inequality is equivalent to (found by subtracting $$\frac{1}{n+1}$$ from both sides):

$$0\gt\frac{1}{n+3}-\frac{1}{n+2}$$

Or:

$$\frac{1}{n+2}\gt\frac{1}{n+3}$$
Oh! Indeed!

Well, thanks Mark ...

Should have seen that ... :(

Thanks again,

Peter
 

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