Application of Quadratic Functions that involve finding equation

Evangeline101 · May 21, 2016

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

2. Relevant equations
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3. The attempt at a solution

Is this correct?

Thanks.

SammyS · May 21, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
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2. Relevant equations
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3. The attempt at a solution
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Is this correct?

Thanks.

The answer is correct.

There are errors in your work starting with the table.

If x is the speed from Tokyo to Bangkok then reducing that by 200 gives a speed of x - 200 from Bangkok to Tokyo. Etc.

Ray Vickson · May 21, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
View attachment 101053

2. Relevant equations
none

3. The attempt at a solution
View attachment 101054

Is this correct?

Thanks.

Plug it in and see if it works.

Evangeline101 · May 22, 2016

SammyS said: ↑

The answer is correct.

There are errors in your work starting with the table.

If x is the speed from Tokyo to Bangkok then reducing that by 200 gives a speed of x - 200 from Bangkok to Tokyo. Etc.

I understand where I made the error, the return trip speed decreased by 200 km/h, so it should have been (x-200) not (x+200), so I have corrected my answer:

Thanks for the help! :)

SammyS · May 22, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

I understand where I made the error, the return trip speed decreased by 200 km/h, so it should have been (x-200) not (x+200), so I have corrected my answer:

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Thanks for the help! :)

There's still a problem, x is the Tokyo to Bangkok speed. That can't be 600mph. 600 - 200 is 400, and that doesn't work out.

So, where is the problem?

You made a couple of errors.

Sign errors in going from

##-960000=2x^2-400x ##
to

##2x^2+400x-960000= 0 ##
It should be

##2x^2-400x+960000= 0 ##
But there is no real solution to that.

The problem is that it's the Tokyo to Bangkok time that's smaller, because the speed is greater. When you subtract to get 2 hours, you need to subtract in the opposite order.

Evangeline101 · May 22, 2016

SammyS said: ↑

There's still a problem, x is the Tokyo to Bangkok speed. That can't be 600mph. 600 - 200 is 400, and that doesn't work out.

So, where is the problem?

You made a couple of errors.

Sign errors in going from
−960000=2x2−400x−960000=2x2−400x-960000=2x^2-400x to
2x2+400x−960000=02x2+400x−960000=02x^2+400x-960000= 0 It should be
2x2−400x+960000=02x2−400x+960000=02x^2-400x+960000= 0 But there is no real solution to that.

I tried doing it this way, but as you said there is no real solution.

SammyS said: ↑

The problem is that it's the Tokyo to Bangkok time that's smaller, because the speed is greater. When you subtract to get 2 hours, you need to subtract in the opposite order.

I don't understand what you mean, can you please explain?

SammyS · May 22, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

I tried doing it this way, but as you said there is no real solution.

I don't understand what you mean, can you please explain?

If x > 200, then

##\displaystyle \frac{4800}{x-200}>\frac{4800}{x}##
.
So you had these reversed.

Evangeline101 · May 23, 2016

SammyS said: ↑

If x > 200, then
4800x−200>4800x4800x−200>4800x\displaystyle \frac{4800}{x-200}>\frac{4800}{x}.
So you had these reversed.

So even if I switch these two, can I not get the same answer I had originally? How does switching the two help with the answer to the problem? or is it just the proper way to write it?

SammyS · May 23, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

So even if I switch these two, can I not get the same answer I had originally? How does switching the two help with the answer to the problem? or is it just the proper way to write it?

It's what is needed of you want to make everything consistent.

As I stated in my first reply, the answer you gave for the time from Bangkok to Tokyo was correct. (600 km/hr)

But you had a number of inconsistencies.

Added in Edit:
You should get x = 800. Then x- 200 = 600, the answer.

Evangeline101 · May 23, 2016

SammyS said: ↑

It's what is needed of you want to make everything consistent.

As I stated in my first reply, the answer you gave for the time from Bangkok to Tokyo was correct. (600 km/hr)

But you had a number of inconsistencies.

Added in Edit:
You should get x = 800. Then x- 200 = 600, the answer.

So like this:

SammyS · May 23, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

So like this:

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No.Not like that.
The first three lines are correct.

After that, there are at least two Algebra mistakes.

As I stated in my previous post:

SammyS said: ↑

You should get x = 800. Then x- 200 = 600, the answer.

Evangeline101 · May 24, 2016

This is an example from my lesson that I have been using as a reference to solve my problem:

SammyS · May 24, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

This is an example from my lesson that I have been using as a reference to solve my problem:
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Right. And they did not make algebra mistakes. You did.

So (carefully) redo your algebra, starting at the third line of the following (from post #10), which is the last line that's correct.

Evangeline101 · May 24, 2016

SammyS said: ↑

No.Not like that.
The first three lines are correct.

After that, there are at least two Algebra mistakes.

4800x - 4800x + 960 000 = 2x² - 400x (960 000 is positive because I multiplied -4800 and -200)

960 000 = 2x² - 400x (Now I move 960 000 to the right side and it becomes -960 000)

2x² - 400x - 960 000 = 0

x² - 200x - 480 000 = 0

(x+600) (x-800)

x= -600 or x = 800

Does this make more sense? did I fix the algebra errors? if not please show me where I made errors.

SammyS · May 24, 2016

Evangeline101 said: ↑

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4800x - 4800x + 960 000 = 2x² - 400x (960 000 is positive because I multiplied -4800 and -200)

960 000 = 2x² - 400x (Now I move 960 000 to the right side and it becomes -960 000)

2x² - 400x - 960 000 = 0

x² - 200x - 480 000 = 0

(x+600) (x-800) = 0

x= -600 or x = 800

Does this make more sense? did I fix the algebra errors? if not please show me where I made errors.

Yes. That looks to be correct.

Evangeline101 · May 24, 2016

Okay, so does that make the speed from Bangkok to Tokyo 800 km/h instead of 600 km/h since it is positive?

Evangeline101 · May 24, 2016

SammyS said: ↑

You should get x = 800. Then x- 200 = 600, the answer.

So since x = 800, we need to solve for the jets's speed from Bangkok to Tokyo, so (like you said) sub x = 800 into x- 200, which gives:
800 - 200 = 600 km/h

So the jet's speed from Bangkok to Tokyo is 600 km/h.

Evangeline101 · May 24, 2016

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it :)

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