Applying Zorn's Lemma (Maximal Subspace)

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The problem involves a vector space V and subspaces W and X, with the task of demonstrating the existence of a maximal subspace U of V such that the intersection of U with W equals X. The context centers around the application of Zorn's Lemma in this scenario.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the requirements for applying Zorn's Lemma, particularly focusing on the need for a partially ordered set and the existence of upper bounds for chains within that set. There is exploration of the structure of the poset formed by subspaces of V intersecting W to yield X.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the nature of chains and upper bounds in the context of Zorn's Lemma. Some guidance has been provided regarding the characteristics of chains and the implications of their unions, though no consensus has been reached on the specific upper bound for the poset.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of applying Zorn's Lemma, with some uncertainty regarding the definitions and properties of chains and upper bounds in the context of vector spaces.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that V is a vector space, W and X are subspaces with X contained in W. Show that there is a subspace U of V which is maximal subject to the property that U intersect W equals X.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know this uses Zorn's Lemma but I can't see how to apply it.

Thanks for any help in advance!
 
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So what do we need to apply Zorn's lemma? A partially ordered set in which every chain has an upper bound. Let's let our partially ordered set be the family of all subspaces of V whose intersections with W gives X ordered by inclusion. Given a chain in this poset, can you find a natural upper bound?
 
rochfor1 said:
So what do we need to apply Zorn's lemma? A partially ordered set in which every chain has an upper bound. Let's let our partially ordered set be the family of all subspaces of V whose intersections with W gives X ordered by inclusion. Given a chain in this poset, can you find a natural upper bound?

Would a natural upper bound for this poset be the subspace U such that U contains X and V-{W-X}?
 
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We're trying to prove that U exists, so we can't use it as the upper bound here. Also, you don't have to find an upper bound for the whole poset, that's what Zorn's lemma gives. You just need to find an upper bound for an arbitrary chain in the poset. A subset S of our poset is a chain if A,B \in S implies that either A\subseteq B or B \subseteq A. What can you say about the union of a family of increasing subpsaces?
 
Wouldn't the union of increasing subspaces tend to some infinite subspace?
 
Take out infinite (which is not necessarily true) and you've got it.
 
Thanks for your help :)
 

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