How to show a subspace must be all of a vector space

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The discussion revolves around identifying the subspaces of the vector space ##V = \mathbb{R}^2##, specifically focusing on proving that the only subspaces are the zero subspace, ##\mathbb{R}^2## itself, and the lines through the origin. Participants are exploring the implications of having two nonzero vectors in a subspace and how that relates to the dimensionality of the space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of having two nonzero vectors along different lines through the origin and question how to formally prove that the subspace must be all of ##\mathbb{R}^2##. There are suggestions to consider the dimensions of the subspace and the concept of linear independence. Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of dimensions in this context.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being suggested. Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between linear independence and dimensionality, while others are questioning their understanding of the concepts involved. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about vector spaces, particularly regarding the origin and the nature of linear combinations. There is mention of potential gaps in knowledge related to bases and dimensions, which may influence the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Show that the only subspaces of ##V = R^2## are the zero subspace, ##R^2## itself,
and the lines through the origin. (Hint: Show that if W is a subspace of
##R^2## that contains two nonzero vectors lying along different lines through
the origin, then W must be all of ##R^2##)

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The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose W is a subspace of ##R^2## that contains two nonzero vectors lying along different lines through the origin ( ##x,y \in W, ## ##x,y≠0, cx\neq y ## and ##cy\neq x ##)

Not sure how to proceed to show W must be all of ##R^2##. Intuitively this makes sense since I can take a linear combination of vectors in W that should get me to any point in ##R^2##. I don't know how to make a formal proof.

Side question: If i have nonzero vectors, is it implied that it goes through the origin?
 
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I suggest another approach. Let ##V## be a subspace of ##\mathbb{R}^2##. What can you tell about the possible dimensions? What does each dimension correspond too?

On another note, that the two vectors are not on the same line means that they are linearly independent, so they span a 2 dimensional space.
 
The possible dimensions in V are 1,2? 1 corresponds to a point and 2 corresponds to a line.
 
GlassBones said:

Homework Statement


Show that the only subspaces of ##V = R^2## are the zero subspace, ##R^2## itself,
and the lines through the origin. (Hint: Show that if W is a subspace of
##R^2## that contains two nonzero vectors lying along different lines through
the origin, then W must be all of ##R^2##)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose W is a subspace of ##R^2## that contains two nonzero vectors lying along different lines through the origin ( ##x,y \in W, ## ##x,y≠0, cx\neq y ## and ##cy\neq x ##)

Not sure how to proceed to show W must be all of ##R^2##. Intuitively this makes sense since I can take a linear combination of vectors in W that should get me to any point in ##R^2##. I don't know how to make a formal proof.

Side question: If i have nonzero vectors, is it implied that it goes through the origin?

All vectors in a vector space start at the origin, if you want to put it that way.

In terms of a proof, you could show that every vector in ##\mathbb{R^2}## is a linear combination of your two vectors.

PS I'm assuming you haven't covered bases and dimensions yet.
 
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PeroK said:
PS I'm assuming you haven't covered bases and dimensions yet.

This is correct.
 
GlassBones said:
The possible dimensions in V are 1,2? 1 corresponds to a point and 2 corresponds to a line.

False. 0,1,2

0 corresponds to the null space
1 to a line
2 to the entire plane
 
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GlassBones said:
This is correct.
Okay, so go with my suggestion above.
 
Math_QED said:
On another note, that the two vectors are not on the same line means that they are linearly independent, so they span a 2 dimensional space.

PeroK said:
In terms of a proof, you could show that every vector in R2 is a linear combination of your two vectors.

Okay this seems to be the most straight forward way, I think I was over complicating things.
 
Math_QED said:
0 corresponds to the null space
It's probably clearer to say that a dimension of 0 corresponds to the origin-- (0, 0) in ##\mathbb R^2##, or the zero vector.
 

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