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The discussion focuses on approximating the time at which a ballistic projectile reaches maximum height (tmax) when shot straight upwards, factoring in air drag. The derived equation for tmax is tmax = (-m/b) ln[(mg/b) / (mg/b + u)], where u represents the initial velocity. The user, Tschew, struggles to reconcile this with the simplified case where m >> b*tmax, which leads to tmax = u/g. The solution involves applying a series expansion to the exponential function, confirming that tmax simplifies to u/g under the specified conditions.

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Hi!

I'm slightly stuck with an approximation of tmax, the time at which a ballistic projectile reaches maximum height. (projectile shot straigh upwards, no x motion)

So, by integrating the motion equation

m * dv/dt = -mg -bv

(where b is an air drag constant) I've created:

v(t) = (u + mg/b)*e^(-bt/m) - mg/b

which at tmax (t at maximum height) must be zero, which then gives:

tmax = (-m/b) ln [ (mg/b) / (mg/b + u) ]

where u is the initial velocity in y

Now when m >> b*tmax, tmax = u/g , howver, I can't get that!

all I get is (using e^x = 1 + x + x^2/2! +...):

tmax = u / (mgb/bm + ub/m)

thanks for any help!

-tschew
 
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Tschew said:
tmax = (-m/b) ln [ (mg/b) / (mg/b + u) ] *

where u is the initial velocity in y

Now when m >> b*tmax, tmax = u/g , howver, I can't get that!

all I get is (using e^x = 1 + x + x^2/2! +...):

-tschew


You can rewrite your equation labelled with "*" as

\exp(\frac{t_{max}b}{m})= 1+\frac{ub}{mg}

As the exponent is much less than 1, you can apply the series expansion and stop at the linear term.

\exp(\frac{t_{max}b}{m})=1+\frac{t_{max}b}{m}

1+\frac{t_{max}b}{m} = 1 + \frac {ub}{mg}\rightarrow t_{max}=u/g <br />

ehild
 
Thank you.

Thanks for the reply. I noticed the minus sign in the ln() expression myself yesterday and got the result :o)

-Tschew
 

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