Approximating the Edge of a Lens as a Prism

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the approximation of a lens edge as a prism, specifically focusing on the application of the Lensmaker's Formula and the implications of lens thickness on calculations. The subject area includes optics and geometric relationships within lenses.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the radius of curvature using the Lensmaker's Formula while questioning the validity of this approach due to the assumption of negligible thickness. They also explore the relationship between angles at the lens edge using trigonometry. Other participants affirm the original poster's reasoning and inquire about additional parts of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in the exploration of the problem's components. Some guidance has been provided regarding the angle approximation, and additional parts of the problem have been introduced, indicating a broader scope of inquiry.

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There is a consideration of the assumptions made in the derivation of the Lensmaker's Formula, particularly regarding lens thickness. The original poster also notes a potential change in focal length due to the prism approximation, suggesting a need for further exploration of these concepts.

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Homework Statement
A convex planer lens has Diameter D = 3cm, focal length f = 10cm and refractive index n = 1.5
a. Find the minimum thickness of the lens which maintains the diameter D = 3cm
b. Approximate the top/bottom edge of the lens as a prism and find the angle ##\theta## shown.
Relevant Equations
Lensmaker's Formula: ##\frac 1 f = \frac {n_2-n_1} {n_1} \left( \frac 1 R_1 - \frac 1 R_2 \right)##
Convex - Planer Lens.JPG
Tangent to Circle.JPG
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Hello there, for part a. of this problem I thought I should try to find the radius of curvature R of the lens using the Lensmaker's Formula. Then it would be quite easy to find the minimum thickness T by just finding the thickness of the circle segment using Pythagoras' Theorem. But part of deriving the Lensmaker's Formula is making the assumption that the thickness of the lens is negligible, so ##T \to 0##. So I'm not sure if I can actually use it here?

For part b., assuming that I know the thickness T, my first thought was to find the tangent to the circle at the point where the curved and planer surfaces meet. Then I would have the relationship $$90^{\circ} = \theta +\phi$$
And I would be able to find ##\theta## with trigonometry. But I don't know if this is the correct way to approximate the angle between the curved and planer surfaces, its just a guess that made sense to me at the time. So if there is a more accurate way to approximate it I would appreciate it if you could let me know. Thank you in advance!
 
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Sounds like a plan. Your expression for the angle is exact for the edge as drawn. Is there a part (c) to the question? (I know what I would want for extra credit!)
 
hutchphd said:
Sounds like a plan. Your expression for the angle is exact for the edge as drawn. Is there a part (c) to the question? (I know what I would want for extra credit!)

Ah thank you, I'm glad to hear my hunch made sense.

Yes there is in fact a part (c) and also a part (d) actually, for part (c) we are asked to find the Angular Deviation of this approximated prism.

Then in part (d) the objective is to recalculate the focal length of the lens by finding the point of intersection of rays passing through the top and bottom edges. I'm guessing the new focal length will be slightly different from the original 10cm because of the prism approximation.
 
Yes that's a nice question and instructive. And you get to do the trigonometry, and are introduced to spherical aberration.
 

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