Approximation of specific heat, Debye model

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The discussion revolves around approximating the specific heat \( c_v \) using the Debye model, particularly at high temperatures. The original poster struggles with deriving the approximation that leads to \( c_v = 3 N_A k_b [1 - 0.05 (\frac{\Theta_D}{T})^2] \). They initially attempted to use a Taylor series for the exponential function but only arrived at the Dulong-Petit law. Responses emphasize the need to include more terms in the series expansions for both the numerator and denominator, clarifying that neglecting the exponential in the numerator is not appropriate. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying Taylor series to achieve the desired approximation.
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Hi everyone

I have trouble with this task

Homework Statement


the specific heat cv is given by
c_v =\frac {N_A k_b \hbar^2}{{\Omega_D}^3 {k_b}^2 T^2} \int \limits_{0}^{\Omega_D} \! \frac {\Omega^4 exp\frac{\hbar \Omega}{k_b T}}{{(exp\frac{\hbar \Omega}{k_b T}-1})^2} \, d\Omega

I shall show that the approximation for high temperatures leads to:


c_v=3 N_A k_b [1-0.05 (\frac{\Theta_D}{T})^2]


Homework Equations



k_b \Theta_D= \hbar \Omega_D

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to approximate my exponential function with the taylor seris, so I get for the exponential function something like:

exp(x) \approx 1+x whereas x is equal to (h*omega)/(kbT)

I will only have x^2 in my denominator and x^2 in my numerator (because I neglect the h*omega/(kbT) in the numerator because T is very high).

But this only leads me to the Dulong Petit law. I have no idea where the minus as well as the 0.05 should come from.

I also tried to approach the whole fraction via taylor but that didn't work out. Furthermore I tried to approximate via taylor until x^2, didn't work out either.

Can anyone help me out with this?

Thanks for your help in advance
 
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You need to carry more terms in the expansions. You are trying to evaluate

\frac{x^4e^x}{(e^x-1)^2}

You need to keep the following terms:
e^x=1+x+\frac{x^2}{2}+...
(e^x-1)=x+\frac{x^2}{2}+\frac{x^3}{6}+...
(e^x-1)^2=x^2(1+x+\frac{7x^2}{12}+...)
\frac{x^4}{(e^x-1)^2}=x^2(1-x+\frac{5x^2}{12}+...)
Chet
 
Ok, thank you very much.

I will try that later
 
Well I tried it now, but I have a question.

We act on the asumption x^4/(...)^2 which means we already neglect the exponential function in the numerator. How can it be that I'm allowed to approximate my exponential function in the numerator then get to the expression x^4/(...)^2 and then I approximate the whole term. I don't see any logic behind that. Am I not supposed to approximate both exponential functions if I do it with one?

Thanks for your help
 
Lindsayyyy said:
Well I tried it now, but I have a question.

We act on the asumption x^4/(...)^2 which means we already neglect the exponential function in the numerator. How can it be that I'm allowed to approximate my exponential function in the numerator then get to the expression x^4/(...)^2 and then I approximate the whole term. I don't see any logic behind that. Am I not supposed to approximate both exponential functions if I do it with one?

Thanks for your help

I'm not sure I understand your question. The real point I was trying to emphasize is that you need to get the first three terms in the series exact.

I didn't intend to indicate that you only need one term for the exponential in numerator. I showed the three term series for the exponential in the numerator in my first equation. But I didn't show its product with x^4/(...)^2. I wanted to leave that for you to do. When you carry out this multiplication of the two series, you will find that one of the terms drops out. Once you do the integration, you will see where the 0.05 comes from.

Chet
 
Thanks for your reply.

Yeah, I'm sorry, my english is not the best.

I think I finally understood it now, how you meant it in the first place. I misinterpreted your first reply.
 

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