Approximations with the Finite Square Well

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The discussion revolves around the finite square well potential in quantum mechanics, specifically analyzing the wavefunctions and energy states as the potential approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the relationships between the parameters involved, particularly focusing on the limits of the parameters ##\eta## and ##\xi## as ##V_0## increases.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to approximate the values of ##\eta## and ##\xi## in the limit of large ##z_0##, questioning the behavior of these parameters and their relationships. There is discussion about the implications of large values for ##\eta## and ##\xi##, and how these affect the wavefunction characteristics.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning assumptions. Some have proposed approximations and relationships, while others are verifying the correctness of these approaches. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of expressing results to leading order in ##z_0## and are considering the implications of continuity at specific points in the wavefunction. The problem setup involves a standard square well potential with specific boundary conditions.

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Homework Statement


Consider the standard square well potential
$$V(x) =
\begin{cases}
-V_0 & |x| \leq a \\
0 & |x| > a
\end{cases}
$$
With ##V_0 > 0##, and the wavefunctions for an even state
$$\psi(x) =
\begin{cases}
\frac{1}{\sqrt{a}}cos(kx) & |x| \leq a \\
\frac{A}{\sqrt{a}}e^{-\kappa |x|} & |x| > a
\end{cases}
$$

where we have included the ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{a}}## prefactor to have consistent units for ##\psi##, and A is a constant required by continuity at x = a.

For the finite square well, recall that
$$\eta = ka, \xi = \kappa a, k^2 = \frac{2m(V_0-|E|)}{\hbar^2}, \kappa^2 = \frac{2m|E|}{\hbar^2}$$

and
$$\xi^2 + \eta^2 = z_0^2, \xi = \eta tan(\eta)$$

We want to have a better understanding of the limit as ##V_0 \rightarrow \infty##, and understand why the discontinuity in ##\psi'## in the infinite well does not give trouble. Keeping m and a constant as we let ##V_0## grow large is the same thing as letting ##z_0## grow large, where
$$z_0^2 = \frac{2ma^2V_0}{\hbar^2}$$

Part A:
Consider the ground state of the potential. In the limit of large ##z_0##, compute the approximate values of ##\eta## and ##\xi## to leading order in ##z_0##. Your answers should have no trigonometric functions in them. (Hint: You will need to approximate the relations between ##\xi## and ##\eta##. Think about the range you expect ##\eta## to lie in.)

Write your answer in terms of ##z_0##.
##\eta = ##
##\xi = ##
##A = ##

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These are given in the problem statement.

The Attempt at a Solution


My main issue was with the approximations.
I was thinking of how to approximate the tangent.

I was also thinking of possibly using the average of the range ##\eta## should lie in, which I believe is 0 to ##z_0##, but that does not seem to be right.

What would be the best way to go about approximating ##\eta## and ##\xi##?
 
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doggydan42 said:
I was also thinking of possibly using the average of the range ηη\eta should lie in, which I believe is 0 to z0z0z_0, but that does not seem to be right.
You have the relation ##\xi^2 + \eta^2 = z_0^2##. The righthand side grows large as ##V_0## becomes large. How do you get the lefthand side grow large?
 
vela said:
You have the relation ##\xi^2 + \eta^2 = z_0^2##. The righthand side grows large as ##V_0## becomes large. How do you get the lefthand side grow large?

I would expect at least one of ##\eta## or ##\xi## to grow large. Given the relation between ##\eta## and ##\xi##, ##\eta## would have to grow large?
 
Good question. Do you have a reason for choosing ##\eta## over ##\xi##, or are you just guessing?
 
vela said:
Good question. Do you have a reason for choosing ##\eta## over ##\xi##, or are you just guessing?
Graphically, it looks like if ##\xi## increases, ##\eta## could take many different values. That was my main reason, but there is probably a more concrete one. Also, if you plug in the relation between ##\eta## and ##\xi## into the circlular equation, the graph shows that as ##\eta## increases ##z_0## generally increases.
 
If ##\eta## is large, then ##k = \eta/a## is large. What does that mean? Does that make sense for, say, the ground state?
 
vela said:
If ##\eta## is large, then ##k = \eta/a## is large. What does that mean? Does that make sense for, say, the ground state?
That would not make sense, since the cosine function would have a large frequency. So ##\xi## grows large while ##\eta## remains small?

If so, how would I get rid of the tangent function in the approximation?
 
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I tried plugging in the function:

$$z_0^2 = \eta^2 + (\eta tan(\eta))^2 = \eta^2sec^2(\eta)$$
since ##z_0## is positive.
$$z_0 = \eta sec(\eta)$$
So using the relationship between ##\xi## and ##\eta##,
$$\xi = \eta tan(\eta) = z_0 sin(\eta)$$

By the graphs of ##\eta## and ##\xi##, ##\eta## should be just less than ##\pi/2##.
Since as ##z_0## goes to infinity, ##\eta## approaches a value, I was thinking that I might be able to approximate
$$\eta = \frac{\pi]{2} - z_0^{-1}$$
or
$$\eta = \frac{\pi]{2} +z_0^{-1}$$

If one of these is right, how would I choose one?
 
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You have ##z_0 \cos\eta = \eta##. Expand the cosine to first order about ##\eta=\pi/2##. Then you can solve for ##\eta## in terms of ##z_0##.
 
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vela said:
You have ##z_0 \cos\eta = \eta##. Expand the cosine to first order about ##\eta=\pi/2##. Then you can solve for ##\eta## in terms of ##z_0##.

That makes a lot of sense; I forget about taylor series.

This gave me

$$\eta = \frac{\pi z_0}{2(1+z_0)}$$

Plugging that into the circular equation for I get
$$\xi = z_0 \frac{\sqrt{4(1+z_0)^2-\pi^2}}{2(1+z_0)}$$

Do these look right?
 
  • #11
Yup, that's what I got here.
 
  • #12
vela said:
Yup, that's what I got here.
So for finding A, by continuity at a

$$Ae^{-\kappa a} = cos(ka) \Rightarrow A = cos(\eta)e^{\xi} = (\frac{\eta}{z_0})e^{\xi} =(\frac{\pi}{2(1+z_0)}) e^{z_0 \frac{\sqrt{4(1+z_0)^2-\pi^2}}{2(1+z_0)}}$$
 
  • #13
The problem statement says to express the results to leading order in ##z_0##, so you'll want to do a little more work on your expressions for ##\eta## and ##\xi##.
 
  • #14
vela said:
The problem statement says to express the results to leading order in ##z_0##, so you'll want to do a little more work on your expressions for ##\eta## and ##\xi##.
So,
$$\xi = \eta tan(\eta) = \eta \frac{sin\eta}{cos\eta}$$
$$sin\eta \approx 1,cos\eta \approx \frac{\pi}{2}-\eta = \frac{\pi}{2}(1-\frac{z_0}{1+z_0}) = \frac{\pi}{2}(\frac{1}{1+z_0})$$
Plugging these into ##\xi##:
$$\xi = (\frac{\pi z_0}{2(1+z_0)})\frac{1}{\frac{\pi}{2(1+z_0)}} = z_0$$

But this would give ##\eta = 0## in the circular equation.

I was also thinking that maybe
$$\eta = \frac{\pi}{2}(1-z_0^{-1})$$
but I could only justify this graphically.
 
  • #15
Use your expressions from post 10:
$$\eta = \frac{\pi z_0}{2(1+z_0)} = \frac{\pi}{2}\frac{1}{1+(1/z_0)} = \cdots$$
$$\xi = z_0 \sqrt{1-\left[\frac{\pi}{2(1+z_0)}\right]^2} = \cdots$$
 
  • #16
vela said:
Use your expressions from post 10:
$$\eta = \frac{\pi z_0}{2(1+z_0)} = \frac{\pi}{2}\frac{1}{1+(1/z_0)} = \cdots$$
$$\xi = z_0 \sqrt{1-\left[\frac{\pi}{2(1+z_0)}\right]^2} = \cdots$$
For ##\eta##, if I expand the terms, I get
$$\eta = \frac{\pi}{2}(1-\frac{1}{z_0})$$.

For ##\xi##, I was thinking
$$\xi = z_0-\frac{\pi^2}{8}z_0^{-1}$$
 
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For A, I would then get

$$A = cos(\eta)e^\xi = (\frac{\pi}{2}-\eta)e^\xi = \frac{\pi}{2}z_0^{-1}e^{z_0}$$

Do I need to simplify anymore?
 
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