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The discussion revolves around the intersection of humor and theoretical frameworks, particularly in relation to quantum mechanics and cognition. Participants explore various models of humor, the implications of quantum theories in psychology, and the legitimacy of certain academic sources in these discussions.

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  • Some participants question the seriousness of a paper related to "quantum consciousness" and its relevance to physics.
  • There are discussions about different standard models of humor, with some noting that they are all classical.
  • Participants mention "dark humor" as a complex phenomenon that is not universally appreciated, highlighting a mismatch between theory and psychological experimentation.
  • One participant suggests that quantum probabilities could provide a more general statistical framework applicable to psychology and economics.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that contextuality is the defining difference between quantum and classical probabilities, indicating a disagreement on this point.
  • There is a discussion about the credibility of journals and their impact factors, with some participants correcting each other on the status of specific publications.
  • Links to various sources and preprints are shared, with some participants expressing skepticism about their content and relevance.

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Participants express a range of views on the legitimacy of certain research and the application of quantum theories to humor and psychology. Disagreements exist regarding the interpretation of contextuality in quantum mechanics and the credibility of specific academic sources.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of humor theories, as well as the mathematical underpinnings of quantum probabilities. Some participants express confusion about specific terminology used in the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the philosophical implications of quantum mechanics, the psychology of humor, and the credibility of academic research in these interdisciplinary fields.

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Since you post it under BSM forum, I think it's therefore legitimate to ask what is the standard model of the theory of humor?:rolleyes:
 
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PeroK said:
There is also "dark humour", a mysterious, powerful force that we barely understand.
All people like humor, so in theory all people should like dark humor. Yet, only a small fraction of people likes dark humor, which is one of the biggest mismatches between theory and experiment in psychology.
 
Being a bit dim, I could never understand virtual jokes, although I do know that they must be fundamental objects for advanced AI. to happen.
 
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The joke is that the paper actually has nothing to do with physics. It's all just a linear algebra model of cognition. The paper could have been written without the word 'quantum' appearing once.
 
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strangerep said:
As seriously as we take all other research in "quantum consciousness". o0)
It is not in that group.
They just use pieces of mathematics also used in quantum theory.
 
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Psychologists have recently started to look into these quantum models. The point is that quantum probabilities are a generalization of classical probabilities that allow for the occurency of contextuality. In fact, contextuality is precisely the difference between quantum probabilities and classical probabilites. Psychology makes heavy use of statistics and hence it is natural that probability theories that allow for more general statistical features (such as i.e. entanglement) would eventually be applied outside of physics as well. I think this kind of research is exactly what needs to be done. Quantum mechanics is still kind of mysterious and if we can find examples of quantum statistics in other fields like psychology or maybe economics, we might also learn something about physics as well.
 
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rubi said:
In fact, contextuality is precisely the difference between quantum probabilities and classical probabilites.
I wouldn't agree, but that's not a thread on quantum foundations, so I will not elaborate. :smile:
 
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Demystifier said:
I wouldn't agree, but that's not a thread on quantum foundations, so I will not elaborate. :smile:
I mean this in a very precise mathematical sense. Classical probability theory is mathematically equivalent to quantum theory with only commuting observables. However, if you allow for non-commutativity, your theory will automatically be contextual (unless possibly ##\mathrm{dim}(\mathcal H)=2##). All quantum mechanical phenomena are consequences of this non-commutativity and hence contextuality.
 
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Demystifier said:
Or should we take
http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1703.04647
seriously? :wideeyed:
If this hadn't been posted by you, I would have slapped it with an "unacceptable sources" warning. Seriously...
 
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DrClaude said:
If this hadn't been posted by you, I would have slapped it with an "unacceptable sources" warning. Seriously...
But it's published in a peer reviewed journal with IF>2. :wideeyed:
 
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PeroK said:
There is also "dark humour", a mysterious, powerful force that we barely understand.
Not to mention "complex Dilbert space".

Dilbert spaces arise naturally and frequently in humour, typically as infinite(± 2)-dimensional ill-functioning office spaces.
 
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Demystifier said:
But it's published in a peer reviewed journal with IF>2. :wideeyed:
I think you are mistaking Frontiers in physics with Frontiers of physics. The latter has an impact factor > 2, the former is not listed by TR, but used to be listed on Beall's list of predatory journals.
 
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DrClaude said:
I think you are mistaking Frontiers in physics with Frontiers of physics. The latter has an impact factor > 2, the former is not listed by TR, but used to be listed on Beall's list of predatory journals.
You are absolutely right!
 
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I hope I may be permitted a link to a vixra preprint proposing an "un-collider". It has something to offend just about everyone.
 
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mitchell porter said:
I hope I may be permitted a link to a vixra preprint proposing an "un-collider". It has something to offend just about everyone.
Yeah that Viagra analog was unexpectedly tremendous and the hallucinations didn't bother me much,
Mind you, I have seen better hallucinations under cover, making out like they are not hallucinations at all.
Those orientals can be tricky
 
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