Arc length of a stadium billiard

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The discussion revolves around determining the arc length of a stadium billiard, which consists of two semicircles connected by tangent lines. Participants are exploring various approaches to calculate the arc length from a specified angle to the point of collision along the boundary, considering both the semicircular and linear components of the shape.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on the best approach to calculate the arc length given the parameters of the tangent lines and the radius of the semicircles.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the specific arc length being referenced, suggesting the need for a visual representation.
  • A participant proposes that the arc length from the start point to the tangent point is (π/2) times the radius of the circle, but notes this only applies under specific conditions.
  • Some participants express that the problem seems trivial, while others acknowledge the complexity involved in finding a general solution for any angle θ.
  • One participant suggests using trigonometric methods to derive the remaining arc length beyond the semicircular portion.
  • A later reply introduces a formula for the arc length in terms of the angle φ, incorporating the width and radius, indicating a more complex relationship than initially assumed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the general solution for the arc length, with multiple competing views on how to interpret the problem and calculate the length based on varying assumptions and conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of arc length and the relationship between the angle θ and the arc length. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the specific geometry of the stadium billiard.

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I've been trying to figure out the most straightforward way of doing this for a while, and would like to get some advice on new approaches, as the one I was using didn't work out at all. So here it is:

The stadium billiard is defined as two semicircles joined by two tangent lines, as shown in the figure attached. Given the angle of a point in the boundary, my goal is to determine the arc length of the boundary, from theta=0 to the collision angle. To do that, I have the parameters of the length of the tangent lines, and the radius of the semicircles (figure.) What approach would fit best here?

Thank you all for your time.

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I'm not following what it is that you want to figure out. Can you add to your figure the "arc length" you are talking about?
 
Sorry about that. Here is an image showing what is the arc length I'm referring to:

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carlosbgois said:
Sorry about that. Here is an image showing what is the arc length I'm referring to:

Screen_Shot_2015_01_24_at_20_45_18.jpg
Since the circle is tangent to the parallel lines, then the arc length from the start point to the tangent point, as indicated on your diagram is (π/2) * radius of the circle.
 
SteamKing said:
Since the circle is tangent to the parallel lines, then the arc length from the start point to the tangent point, as indicated on your diagram is (π/2) * radius of the circle.
But that's not true for the general case, only for when the angle is such that the point is at the exact meeting of the semicircle and the tangent. I'm reading this as his calling "arc" the amount you specified plus some amount of the tangent line.

I haven't worked on it yet but it appears to be trivial.
 
Yes I'm looking for a general solution: given θ, what is the arc length?
 
carlosbgois said:
Yes I'm looking for a general solution: given θ, what is the arc length?
Well, you know what the circle-arc part of it is. Can you use trivial trig to get the rest?
 
phinds said:
But that's not true for the general case, only for when the angle is such that the point is at the exact meeting of the semicircle and the tangent. I'm reading this as his calling "arc" the amount you specified plus some amount of the tangent line.

I haven't worked on it yet but it appears to be trivial.

Since the parallel lines are tangent to the circular arcs (as specified by the OP), and the parallel lines are exactly 2*radius apart, then the arc length as shown in the figure will be (π/2)*radius. The angle θ shown on the diagram is not referenced from the center of the circular arcs, so it does not have a direct relationship with the arc length.
 
SteamKing said:
Since the parallel lines are tangent to the circular arcs (as specified by the OP), and the parallel lines are exactly 2*radius apart, then the arc length as shown in the figure will be (π/2)*radius. The angle θ shown on the diagram is not referenced from the center of the circular arcs, so it does not have a direct relationship with the arc length.
Again, he is using "arc" to mean "the circular part plus some of the horizontal line". I questioned him on that in post #5 and his response in post #6 is that I am interpreting it the way he intends.

This whole thing seems like a trivial problem and I don't see what all the fuss is about.
 
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For a student, it doesn't look completely trivial to me. Using the angle ##\phi## labeled in the picture and calling ##W = \frac 1 2\text{width}## where width is as labeled, and the radius of the circle ##a##, I get the arc length as$$
s(\phi) = a(\phi + \arcsin\left(\frac W a\sin\phi\right)),~~0\le \phi \le \arctan\frac a W$$for just the first quadrant arc, which is the hard part.
 

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