Arctan absolute value problem, calculus 1

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality |arctan(x) - arctan(y)| ≤ |x - y|, which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically dealing with properties of the arctangent function and its behavior. Participants explore various cases and mathematical arguments to establish this relationship.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss separating cases based on the values of x and y, including scenarios where both are in the same quadrant, one is zero, or both are zero. There is mention of using the Mean Value Theorem to support the argument, but confusion arises regarding the justification of certain steps and the implications of the cases.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested applying the Mean Value Theorem to derive the necessary inequalities, while others are questioning the validity of certain steps and assumptions made during the proof. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify reasoning and explore different interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of justifying each step in the proof and the implications of the cases being considered. There is also a recognition that x and y can be any real numbers, not just zero, which impacts the conclusions drawn.

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Homework Statement


prove

|arctan(x)-arctan(y)| \leq |x-y|

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried separating cases:
1. both x and y are in the same quadrant;
2. x and y are not in the same quadrant;
3. x and y are zero (trivial);
4. either x or y is zero.

Now, i can see why each of these is true from drawing arctan (the asymptotic behavior and |arctan(x)| =< |x| being important), but I'm having trouble producing a mathematical argument.. I tried doing something with the derivative but i just get confused. Also, proving the equality |arctan(x)| =< |x| is the _next_ question, so i doubt I'm supposed to use it here.
 
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Try applying the Mean Value Theorem to arctan(x).
 
i can get arctan(x) - arctan(y) \leq x-y, but how do i get that to say something about the absolute value?
 
is this correct?
x-y &gt; 0 \Rightarrow x - y = |x-y|, arctan(x)-arctan(y) = |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|
\Rightarrow |x-y| \geq |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|

x-y &lt; 0 \Rightarrow x - y = -|x-y|, arctan(x)-arctan(y) = -|arctan(x)-arctan(y)|
\Rightarrow -|x-y| \geq -|arctan(x)-arctan(y)| \rightarrow |x-y| \geq |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|

x-y=0 \Rightarrow x=y=0
 
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timon said:
is this correct?
x-y &gt; 0 \Rightarrow x - y = |x-y|, arctan(x)-arctan(y) = |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|
\Rightarrow |x-y| \geq |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|
True, but how do you know |x-y| \geq |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|? You have to justify it.

x-y &lt; 0 \Rightarrow x - y = -|x-y|, arctan(x)-arctan(y) = -|arctan(x)-arctan(y)|
\Rightarrow -|x-y| \geq -|arctan(x)-arctan(y)| \rightarrow |x-y| \geq |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|
The step
\Rightarrow -|x-y| \geq -|arctan(x)-arctan(y)| \rightarrow |x-y| \geq |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|
is wrong.

x-y=0 \Rightarrow x=y=0
No, you can't conclude x=y=0.

Have you considered the original suggestion? What does the Mean Value Theorem tell you about arctan(x)? (I'm assuming you have studied the theorem.)

You have the right idea about breaking the proof into three cases, though: consider x > y, x < y, and x = y.
 
awkward said:
True, but how do you know |x-y| \geq |arctan(x)-arctan(y)|? You have to justify it.
i used the mean value theorem, as you suggested:

if

f(x) = arctan(x)

then

\exists c

such that

f(c)&#039; = \frac{f(y)-f(x)}{y-x}

\Leftrightarrow f(c)&#039;(y-x)=f(y)-f(x)

for any x, y \in \Re where x < y, since arctan is continuous and differentiable everywhere. also,

f(x)&#039;= \frac{d}{dx}[arctan(x)] = \frac{1}{1+x^2} \leq 1

thus

y-x \geq arctan(y)-arctan(x).

the same process for x > y gives

x-y \geq arctan(x)-arctan(y).

I think this should give me the wanted result, using the method i used for the first case in my previous post, and realizing |x-y| = |y-x|. I think i didn't split the cases soon enough when i did it before. I find all this splitting of cases rather confusing..
awkward said:
No, you can't conclude x=y=0.
Why not? could there be any other place where x=y?
 
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You are OK up to the point x=y=0.

Can you think of a number other than 0?
 
o wait i see what I've been doing. x and y are both on the x axis, so x=y doesn't imply x=y=0, in fact x and y could be any real number.
but the equality is still true, and trivially so. I guess I'm done? if so, thanks a lot for the assistance!
 
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Right!
 

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