Are All 4x4 Vehicles Dangerous and Smelly?

[Integral]

You got me there, all of the early 50's trucks are very desired.



I have had those feelings of nostalgia for vehicles I once owned, especially my 1940 Ford Coupe. I don't think the younger generation can appreciate this, I know I didn't when I was younger, all I wanted then was an XKE Jag.

At the rate cars are now being fed through the crushers, in a few years there may not be any vehicles left to feel nostalgic about.

Funny you should mention it, my older brother is restoring his XKE, I do not recall what year it is but he has owned it for 30yrs. It had a Ford V8 installed when he bought it. They had chopped a scoop in the hood to make room for the carb. He is finally getting that all undone and returned to stock (not the engine!) Evidently the original engine was a tinker's dream, like only an Englishman can appreciate.

 

[dontdisturbmycircles]

You know what Ford stands for, right? Fix it again, Tony.

I was trying to figure out how you deduced that one, lol.

 

[brewnog]

Funny you should mention it, my older brother is restoring his XKE, I do not recall what year it is but he has owned it for 30yrs. It had a Ford V8 installed when he bought it. They had chopped a scoop in the hood to make room for the carb. He is finally getting that all undone and returned to stock (not the engine!) Evidently the original engine was a tinker's dream, like only an Englishman can appreciate.

Arrrgghhh a Ford engine in an E-Type?! It's a travesty! Tell your brother to put the original XJ6 or the 5.3L V12 engine back in it otherwise I'll be having words.

 

[Cyrus]

I agree. Those XKEs came with a V12.

Why on Earth would anyone put a Ford V8 into that car, its not a hot rod.

Disgusting.

 

[brewnog]

I agree. Those XKEs came with a V12.

Why on Earth would anyone put a Ford V8 into that car, its not a hot rod.

Disgusting.

Cyrus, a true car buff would know that it was only the MKIII which came with the V12. The MKI and II were powered by 3.8 and 4.2 litre straight six DOHC engines first used in the XK120.

 

[Beautiful Mess]

You know what Ford stands for, right? Fix it again, Tony.

F(ix) I(t) A(gain) T(ony) does not make ford any way you look at it...

 

[DaveC426913]

That's a Fiat.

Ford is Fix Or Repair Daily.

(Manchot is embarrassed about now.)

 

[Averagesupernova]

Unfortunately the link does not work for me. I do have one thing to say to Cyrus. Apparently you have missed out on marketing 101. The value of something is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. At an auction a particular item might bring an unusually high amount of money. All it takes for this to happen is 2 bidders, or if the auctioneer is crooked, one bidder. That high amount is what that item was worth on the day of that auction. Only one person walked away with it, so there is still one person out there looking for an item like the one that got away from him. What that item sold for has slightly reinforced his idea of what that particular item is worth. The next auction he may see the same item (not specific) sell and he may quite likely bid higher than he did at the original auction. I've been going to auctions since I was barely able to walk watching things sell from below a dollar to over $100,000. You are quite entitled to your distaste of a certain car or whatever. But if you ever have to organize an estate auction sale or anything similar, I can see you will be throwing money away. I'm always amazed by what people are willing to buy at auctions. Don't assume that just because YOU think something is worthless means everyone else does too.

 

[Cyrus]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

I have a question, would YOU pay a lot of money for those cars?

 

[scorpa]

That's a Fiat.

Ford is Fix Or Repair Daily.

(Manchot is embarrassed about now.)

May as well add another one to the list

Ford = Found On Road Dead

 

[Moonbear]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

That's how that particular market works. People sell some ugly old painting at a garage sale for 50 cents, because to them it's nothing but an eyesore left by great-grandma, only for the buyer to run off to an auction and sell it for $10,000 because someone considers it fine art. It's all about different tastes and how much someone who likes something is willing to spend on it. If you loved something yourself, you wouldn't want to sell it, so while it has potential to sell for a lot of money, it would bring you nothing, because you won't sell it. On the other hand, if you don't think it's really something special enough to keep, you sell it to someone who does think it's special enough to buy. There are lots of reasons someone else might like it. It was the same make, model and year as their first car that they loved, and they like the nostalgia of reliving their youth through it, or they think if they keep it in good condition, the value will only go up and consider it an investment, or they just like tinkering around with old cars and think it's a neat looking car to tinker with, or they want to add it to a museum collection displaying cars made by a particular manufacturer, or they already have one, but need the parts to fix it, etc.

I liked some of the ones in that garage much more than many of the ones in the pictures you posted, in terms of body shape and aesthetics. I'm not into car restoration, so wouldn't personally want any of them, but I can see someone else liking them. So, they're not your taste, and you wouldn't buy one. That doesn't mean they have no value to someone who has different taste than you.

 

[Averagesupernova]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

I have a question, would YOU pay a lot of money for those cars?

Good luck with that. If someone will pay YOU top dollar for it then it is quite likely they will bid AGAINST you at the auction. If I could make a plan like yours work then I'd be wealthy beyond my wildest dreams.
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Now why would I pay a lot of money for cars that I can't even see? The link doesn't work for me. Remember?

 

[Astronuc]

May as well add another one to the list

Ford = Found On Road Dead

That's the one I remember.

The only thing worse is a Ford on Firestones. I had a friend throw a tread on a Firestone 721 steel-belted radial one time - at speed - on the front wheel. Talk about some excitement.

IIRC, Ford historically used Firestone - until recently - when Firestone failures were implicated in some Ford SUV rollovers. Actually, its more the lack of maintenance and care by the drivers in many cases.

 

[DaveC426913]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

Like it or disdain it, it is fact that this is a booming industry.

And they're not suckers, they know exactly what they're getting, and they know what they can get for it.

The classic car market may not be comparable to "big auto industry", but that doesn't make them any less "real" cars in the sense that they're worth LOTS of money.

 

[Moonbear]

The only thing worse is a Ford on Firestones. I had a friend throw a tread on a Firestone 721 steel-belted radial one time - at speed - on the front wheel. Talk about some excitement.

IIRC, Ford historically used Firestone - until recently - when Firestone failures were implicated in some Ford SUV rollovers. Actually, its more the lack of maintenance and care by the drivers in many cases.

My parents always bought Fords, but also immediately replaced the tires with something other than Firestone...they knew all the way back in 1960 how bad Firestone tires were when they wound up stranded on their honeymoon trip because one tire blew, they replaced that with the spare, then a second blew a little further down the road...no spare left. They never used Firestone again.

 

[Astronuc]

The classic car market may not be comparable to "big auto industry", but that doesn't make them any less "real" cars in the sense that they're worth LOTS of money.

I caught part of a 'classic car' auction on some channel while I was out of town. I couldn't believe the prices people were paying for cars I used to see all the time in the 60's and 70's. However the cars were in mint condition.

 

[Astronuc]

My parents always bought Fords, but also immediately replaced the tires with something other than Firestone...they knew all the way back in 1960 how bad Firestone tires were when they wound up stranded on their honeymoon trip because one tire blew, they replaced that with the spare, then a second blew a little further down the road...no spare left. They never used Firestone again.

I am surprised that Ford stayed with Firestone so long. For some reason, Firestone had problems with their steel-belted radials - much more than other tire manufacturers. I knew of what seem to high a rate of warped treads and torn belts.

 

[mathwonk]

I always thought FORD stood for: Bring it to Eden, my young all seeing solon.

 

[Gokul43201]

I am surprised that Ford stayed with Firestone so long.

What choice do you have when your dad's a Ford and your mother's a Firestone?

Here's a nice pic I just found:

http://www.firestone100.com/history/firsts/first_pop1.jpg​

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Great grandpas Henry and Harvey.

 

[edward]

I caught part of a 'classic car' auction on some channel while I was out of town. I couldn't believe the prices people were paying for cars I used to see all the time in the 60's and 70's. However the cars were in mint condition.

The Barett-Jackson auctions in Phoenix are televised on the Speed Channel.
It is incredible what some of the old iron will bring. With the link below you can find out what your grandfathers Oldsmobile just sold for.

http://www2.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/default.asp

January 30 2007 Barret-Jackson auction results.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/2007-bjcca.pdf

 

[Beautiful Mess]

a car is a car. As long as it works properly and makes me feel safe i'll like it... actually that's not quite true, but I am not fussy as long as it isn't a diesel or a 4x4

 

[turbo]

The Barett-Jackson auctions in Phoenix are televised on the Speed Channel.
It is incredible what some of the old iron will bring. With the link below you can find out what your grandfathers Oldsmobile just sold for.

http://www2.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/default.asp

January 30 2007 Barret-Jackson auction results.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/2007-bjcca.pdf

Thanks, Edward! I just found out that my '66 Mustang Coupe (the one that got destroyed by a careless Grade-All operator in 1976) checks in at about $16K. I traded a Corvair and $150 for that car.

 

[edward]

Thanks, Edward! I just found out that my '66 Mustang Coupe (the one that got destroyed by a careless Grade-All operator in 1976) checks in at about $16K. I traded a Corvair and $150 for that car.

And I am still kicking myself for selling my 1940 Ford Coupe for $800 bucks when I joined the military in the 60's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzSrZJ_pC3o&mode=related&search=

 

[Averagesupernova]

a car is a car. As long as it works properly and makes me feel safe i'll like it... actually that's not quite true, but I am not fussy as long as it isn't a diesel or a 4x4

What's wrong with diesels or 4 x 4s?

 

[Beautiful Mess]

i don't like them. 4x4 scare me, and diesels smell (or if its anything like my sister's car... they die on hills regularly lol). Though not as bad as catalystic converters...

 

[turbo]

i don't like them. 4x4 scare me, and diesels smell (or if its anything like my sister's car... they die on hills regularly lol). Though not as bad as catalystic converters...

Don't lump all 4x4s together. There are some off-road trucks, SUV's etc that have high centers of gravity and can be unstable in corners, but there are some very nice AWD cars that handle like a dream. My wife's Subaru Legacy sedan is a sweet-handling little car and it handles far better in slippery conditions than my Nissan 4x4 pickup.