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Highway Accident Report by NTSB Texting

  1. Dec 13, 2011 #1

    dlgoff

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    Highway Accident Report by NTSB....Texting

    It's about time. Discuss please.

    http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/2011/gray_summit_mo/index.html
     
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    Re: Highway Accident Report by NTSB....Texting

    GPS ban I don't support, but texting is a problem. I see it all the time.
     
  4. Dec 13, 2011 #3

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    Hum. Wasn't thinking about GPS. I guess it can be distracting; on the order of looking at your speedometer?
     
  5. Dec 13, 2011 #4

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    Years ago, I reviewed this issue for my work. The research is quite clear: any sort of telephone conversation is distracting to drivers. When a driver talks on a phone, his or her attention narrows. Peripheral vision is dramatically reduced.

    The research suggests the issue is not with the device, because it happens to drivers using "hands-free" phones, too.

    The policy at my work was changed: no use of cell phones when driving, period.

    My motto: "It can wait."
     
  6. Dec 13, 2011 #5

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    Those GPS driving directions are the cause of accidents, you can't read a small digital map and drive. The ones that call out directions are better, but what happened to getting directions before you leave? Then if you get lost, pull off the road and stop and check directions. Same for people with a paper map, get off the road!

    One of the most horrific recent fatalities is where a woman was texting and didn't notice that traffic ahead of her had stopped and she rear ended a car driven by a another woman, the victim woman's car burst into flames and the woman was burned to death, I posted that article here.

    No excuse for texting and driving. None.

    I would be all for a device that disabled texting from a moving vehicle.
     
  7. Dec 13, 2011 #6
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    My wife drives the car from the passenger seat. Turn here, stop there, you should have taken that left turn at Albequerque, etc. Then I got a GPS. I tossed it out after the first week. Turn here, stop there, you should have taken that left turn at Albequerque, etc. It's a wonder we haven't all been rear ended.
     
  8. Dec 13, 2011 #7

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    Exactly.

    That's the way I always did it, but what about the folks that can't even read a map (thinking voice GPS here)?
     
  9. Dec 13, 2011 #8

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    Never had a GPS but plenty of wives. I know what you mean.
     
  10. Dec 13, 2011 #9
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    I didn't realize this wasn't already illegal everywhere. It is illegal in California. I know people who've gotten tickets for fiddling with their phones at red lights, even.
     
  11. Dec 13, 2011 #10

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    Passengers in cars are much more distracting than talking on cell phones. If you're talking on a cell phone, at least your eyes are on the road and not the passenger. People feel the need to make eye contact when they're talking to an actual person, so there is constant glancing at the "listener", then there is the need to look at the person you are speaking to to get that all important "facial and body language" feedback. Then when the passenger responds, there is that obligation to glance over continuously to give them "feedback". A cell phone has no feelings and doesn't need eye contact.

    Second would be listening to music or even worse talk radio, your attention isn't on the road if you're lost in song or screaming at the radio. There should be silence when you are driving. Not to mention the inability to hear horns, screeching brakes, and sirens if you are listening to something else, usually too loud.

    The worst is children in the car... Children whining, fighting, wanting things handed to them, taking things away from them. I've even witnessed women changing their baby's diapers while driving!!!
     
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  12. Dec 13, 2011 #11

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    Evo. I agree with all these distractions as being a problem. But even "thinking about something" can have serious consequences. e.g. My daughter turned right onto a 65mph highway after stopping at the county road intersection. Got rear ended by an oncoming car in broad daylight. She said she didn't see the oncoming car. Eyes saw, brain didn't register.
     
  13. Dec 13, 2011 #12

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    Could GPS devices be considered devices to "support the driving task"?
     
  14. Dec 13, 2011 #13

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    This is actually the opposite of true. For example
    http://www.psych.utah.edu/AppliedCognitionLab/JEP_A_2008.pdf [Broken]

    The explanation that I've heard (and which I think sounds about right) is that passengers in the vehicle with you can see how you're doing in your surroundings and cease conversation when necessary (when executing turns, when traffic patterns shift, etc.) whereas somebody on a cell phone cannot.
     
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  15. Dec 13, 2011 #14

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    Well there is actual quantified proof that passengers are more distracting.

    http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/articledetail.aspx?ArticleID=19571&vf=1

    http://www.nsc.org/safety_road/Distracted_Driving/Documents/Distractions%20in%20Everyday%20Driving.pdf [Broken]

    See page 16
     
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  16. Dec 13, 2011 #15

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    It's a bit unclear what that slideshow you posted is talking about. Is that just measuring how often such a distraction occurred without deciding on the severity of the distraction, or is it measuring how often an incident causes a distraction to a driver? It seems like it's measuring the former, which isn't a good way on deciding whether activities should be banned or not. Especially since the next slide indicates that people spent more time on their cell phones than talking to passengers anyway.

    The Australian study you posted about has no numbers to talk about, and it's not explicitly made clear whether it's percent of time spent being distracted or severity of distraction (although in this case it seems by the language to be more likely talking about severity of distraction).

    I find linking to original studies more effective because there's no ambiguity as to their measuring systems or methodologies
     
  17. Dec 13, 2011 #16

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    It's an actual study, did you read it, or did you just glance at one slide?

    And here is a list of studies.

    http://www.drivingtips.org/Distracted-Driving.html

    In case you aren't going to read it, you can just browse the results here.

     
  18. Dec 13, 2011 #17

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    Seems like it's not a case of whether it's a distraction, but to what degree the distraction is.

    As in TEXTING. Just sayin'.
     
  19. Dec 13, 2011 #18

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    Texting has got to be the worst, it's reading and writing, you can't do both of those and drive safely. Not to mention you only have one hand to steer with. But talking on a cell phone is the least dangerous activity, based on actual results.
     
  20. Dec 13, 2011 #19

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    So it's like, "to take care of the most dangerous activity (texting), you have to remove the responsible device". Right?
     
  21. Dec 13, 2011 #20

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    Yep. Like I said earlier, I'd be all for the ability to disbable texting from a moving device.
     
  22. Dec 13, 2011 #21

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    Got it. I guess I got a bit distracted by Jimmy before posting my earlier reply to you and lisab. :blushing:
     
  23. Dec 13, 2011 #22

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    It's a slideshow about a study. Looking over it again I found the original study's title in the second slide so went and got it
    http://www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/distraction.pdf [Broken]

    This records how often crashes are caused by various activities from data between 1995 and 1999. It doesn't attempt to control for how often these activities occur. This would be like saying only 7% of accidents occur with a person over the limit behind the wheel, whereas 10% of distractions in the accidents they pulled data from were from passenger distractions, so passengers are as likely to cause an accident as driving drunk.

    Virginia Tech study:
    Cell phone usage on the other hand was far more dangerous than not being on the cell phone

    As noted, New York had a law against using your cell phone while driving, and those statistics were generated by police reports. So if you're talking on your cell phone and get in an accident, you probably just hang up and hide the phone and tell everyone you were distracted by something else.

    The Kentucky statistics have the same self-reporting problem. Although it was not illegal at the time in Kentucky to be on your cell phone, there was certainly a stigma against it that might cause people to lie. Also it just shows what % of accidents are caused by cell phones, not how much cell phones increase or decrease your chance of getting into an accident.

    The Virginia Tech study literally recorded 100 people driving vehicles and kept track of their every movement and activity in that time period. It's clearly the most rigorous attempt to quantify risk (far more than the study that I posted I would say) and finds that passengers make you safer than driving alone.
     
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  24. Dec 13, 2011 #23

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    Here

    And I seriously do not know what part of this you can't read.

    statistics page 17

    http://www.distracteddriving.ca/english/documents/LeoTasca_000.pdf

    This must be the 3rd or 4th time I have referred to the actual traffic accident reports, not some made up statistics, guesses, or interpretations.
     
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  25. Dec 13, 2011 #24

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    Again, self reported distractions aren't very reliable. People can always lie. More importantly, it doesn't actually quantify risk change associated with that activity. If 3.6% of accidents were caused by cell phones, but 100% of the time that people were on cell phones they got into an accident, would you still be arguing that cell phones are safe? Of course not. Distraction reporting data alone is not sufficient to decide on safety. You need more, and the studies posted (from both you AND me) which attempt a more in depth analysis conclude that passengers are safer than cell phones, and in the study you posted, having passengers was safer than driving alone!
     
  26. Dec 13, 2011 #25

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    The first *study* I linked to was actual in car recordings with monitoring devices, no self reporting.

    http://www.nsc.org/safety_road/Distracted_Driving/Documents/Distractions%20in%20Everyday%20Driving.pdf [Broken]

    The topic here is texting, I think we can agree that texting while driving should be banned and stop going off topic to *talking*?
     
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