Are all line segments truly equal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of line segments and their lengths, particularly focusing on the implications of establishing a one-to-one correspondence between points on two segments of different lengths. Participants explore whether this correspondence challenges the notion of one segment being longer than the other, raising questions about the nature of length and cardinality in geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that establishing a one-to-one correspondence between points on two segments of different lengths creates a paradox regarding the nature of length.
  • Others argue that bijections do not preserve length, suggesting that the correspondence does not negate the longer segment's length.
  • A participant suggests reframing the situation as a fact of nature or mathematics rather than a paradox.
  • One participant questions whether the correspondence can be established without the segments being at an angle, indicating a need for clarification on the conditions of the correspondence.
  • Another participant notes that while the longer segment has a greater length, both segments contain the same number of points, introducing the concept of cardinality into the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the correspondence between points on the segments constitutes a paradox. There is no consensus on how to resolve the implications of this correspondence for the understanding of length.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the assumptions regarding length and correspondence, as well as the dependence on definitions of length and cardinality. Unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of bijections are also present.

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Hello,

If someone takes two segments, one longer than the other, it is naturally assumed that the longer one is most definitely longer than the other. However, if the longer segment is put at an angle with the other to make a triangle, suddenly someone can draw a one to one correspondence between all the points on the original two segments. So the line was not really longer. How can we resolve this paradox?
 
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There is no paradox. Bijections do not, in general, preserve length.
 
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I agree it looks weird and suspicious. But the correct resolution is to stop seeing it as a paradox and more as a fact of nature/math.
 
thinkandmull said:
However, if the longer segment is put at an angle with the other to make a triangle, suddenly someone can draw a one to one correspondence between all the points on the original two segments.

Couldn't you do that even without putting the longer line at an angle with the other?
 
Is this what you have in mind?

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Here I'm showing two points on each line, with their distance exaggerated for clarity. Although there's a one to one correspondence, the distance between the two points on the longer line is greater than the distance between the two points on the shorter line.
 
thinkandmull said:
If someone takes two segments, one longer than the other, it is naturally assumed that the longer one is most definitely longer than the other.
The longer segment has a length that is larger, but both segments contain the same number of points. Another way to say this is that the cardinality of both segments is the same.
 

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