How to obtain the inverse (reciprocal) of a line segment?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to geometrically obtain the inverse (reciprocal) of a line segment, specifically given a line segment AB with length x and a unit segment OC, aiming to construct a segment with length 1/x. The scope includes geometric constructions using straight edges, compasses, and auxiliary curves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using similar triangles as a method to obtain the inverse segment.
  • Others mention the relationship between angular coefficients in perpendicular lines as a basis for the proof involving similar triangles.
  • A participant questions the definition of "unitary segment" and clarifies that a straight edge does not imply the use of a ruler.
  • There is a suggestion that the hyperbola y = 1/x is a straightforward auxiliary curve for this construction, with a later comment asserting its uniqueness in this context.
  • Some participants discuss the circle as another potential auxiliary curve for inverting the line segment.
  • One participant connects the concept of inverting a line segment to reciprocal relationships in trigonometric functions, specifically mentioning sine and cosecant.
  • Another participant agrees with the trigonometric relationship and describes a method for inverting a point using these functions, although noting its impracticality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the methods for obtaining the inverse segment, with no consensus reached on a single approach or the uniqueness of the hyperbola as an auxiliary curve.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of terms like "unitary segment" and the limitations of using a straight edge without a ruler are noted, but these remain unresolved within the discussion.

DaTario
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Hi All,

Which are the ways one can geometrically obtain, given a line segment AB with length x and an unitary segment OC, a line segment with length 1/x ?

Straight edge and compass are allowed (also some auxilliary curve).

Best wishes,

DaTario
 
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similar triangles
 
I have also found this one:

invert method old 1.jpg
 
That is the same approach in a different way - two similar triangles.
 
The traditional interpretation of "straight edge" doesn't allow it to be marked as a ruler. I don't know what "unitary segment" means.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
The traditional interpretation of "straight edge" doesn't allow it to be marked as a ruler. I don't know what "unitary segment" means.
You define a given length as 1.

No ruler is used.
 
mfb said:
That is the same approach in a different way - two similar triangles.

Ok, but one may also say that this proof is based on the relation between angular coeficient in perpendicular straight lines.
 
You can also say that this rule follows from the similarity of triangles - both concepts are directly connected.
 
mfb said:
You can also say that this rule follows from the similarity of triangles - both concepts are directly connected.

I agree.
 
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But, apart from the hyperbola y = 1/x, which is rather obvious, is there any other auxiliary curve that can be used to invert the line segment?
 
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DaTario said:
But, apart from the hyperbola y = 1/x, which is rather obvious, is there any other auxiliary curve that can be used to invert the line segment?
Seems like it would be fairly simple to prove that the hyperbola y = 1/x is unique in this regard.
 
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Mark44 said:
Seems like it would be fairly simple to prove that the hyperbola y = 1/x is unique in this regard.
In some sense, the circle also can be understood as an auxiliary curve to this construction. See figure below, from point P through point T we find point P´.
figure forum circle inverter.jpg
 
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If you're talking about the relationship between, for instance, the sine and cosecant, those all reduce to reciprocal relationships.I.e., ##\csc(x) = \frac 1 {\sin(x)}##. In other words, the same as y = 1/x.

I'm assuming that by inverting a line segment, you mean finding another segment so that the product of the lengths of the two segments is 1, then the basic relationship is ##|L_1| |L_2| = 1##, or ##|L_2| = \frac 1 {|L_1|}##
 
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Mark44 said:
If you're talking about the relationship between, for instance, the sine and cosecant, those all reduce to reciprocal relationships.I.e., ##\csc(x) = \frac 1 {\sin(x)}##. In other words, the same as y = 1/x.

I'm assuming that by inverting a line segment, you mean finding another segment so that the product of the lengths of the two segments is 1, then the basic relationship is ##|L_1| |L_2| = 1##, or ##|L_2| = \frac 1 {|L_1|}##

Yes it is precisely so. If we graph the functions ##\csc(x)## and ##\frac 1 {\sin(x)}## it yields a method for inverting a point. Not practical, however. Pick a point O so as to obtain the line segment OP. Then, the line segment OP´naturally appears (figure below).
func inverter forum.jpg
 
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