Are All Zeros of a Polynomial Ring in Z(subscript 6) Factors of 6?

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The discussion revolves around finding the zeros of the polynomial x^2 + 3x + 2 in the context of the polynomial ring Z6. Participants explore the nature of roots in a modular arithmetic setting, particularly focusing on the implications of zero divisors in Z6.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the factorization of the polynomial and its implications for identifying roots, questioning whether all roots can be derived from factoring alone. There is exploration of congruences and the relationship between roots and zero divisors in Z6.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various participants offering insights into the nature of roots in Z6. Some suggest checking all possible values to identify zeros, while others emphasize the limitations of factoring in this context. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note that Z6 contains zero divisors, which complicates the straightforward application of polynomial factorization. The discussion also highlights the need to consider all elements of Z6 when determining roots.

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Homework Statement


Show that x^2 +3*x+2 has four zeros in Z(subscript 6),


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x^2+3*x+2=(x+1)(x+2)=0=>x=2, and x=1

6*1=6
3*2=6

according to the back of my textbook , the other two zeroes for x^2+3*x+2 are x=4 and x=5. is it because x=4 and x=5 are nonfactors of 6?
 
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The roots of (x+1)(x+2) over the reals are x=(-1) and x=(-2), which are congruent to 4 and 5 mod 6. So the real question is why x=1 and x=2? The problem is that Z(6) has zero divisors, e.g. 2*3=0. So you can't conclude from (x+1)(x+2)=0 that (x+1)=0 or (x+2)=0.
 
Dick said:
The roots of (x+1)(x+2) over the reals are x=(-1) and x=(-2), which are congruent to 4 and 5 mod 6. So the real question is why x=1 and x=2? The problem is that Z(6) has zero divisors, e.g. 2*3=0. So you can't conclude from (x+1)(x+2)=0 that (x+1)=0 or (x+2)=0.

Sorry, I meant to right x=-2 and x=-1 . how are x=(-1) and x=(-2) congruent to 4 and 5?
 
-2 is congruent to 4 and -1 is congruent to 5, because in each case the difference is divisible by 6.
 
Dick said:
-2 is congruent to 4 and -1 is congruent to 5, because in each case the difference is divisible by 6.

I see a pattern if you take the difference between 4-(-2) and 5-(-1) the result for both factors are 6. Would you used this approach to find numbers divisble by 6 given the x values you found from x^2+3*x+2
 
That only gives you 4 and 5. It doesn't give you 1 and 2, which are also roots. Unless you know a better system, it's safest to check all possible numbers to see if they are roots.
 
Dick said:
That only gives you 4 and 5. It doesn't give you 1 and 2, which are also roots. Unless you know a better system, it's safest to check all possible numbers to see if they are roots.

I know how to find the roots for x=-1 and x=-2 you just used the system you were taught in high school for breaking up one polynomial expression to two or more polynomial expressions. I wasn't completely sure how to find the zeroes for the other two roots.
 
Factoring it is not guaranteed to find all roots for the reasons I pointed out in the first post.
 
Dick said:
Factoring it is not guaranteed to find all roots for the reasons I pointed out in the first post.

what alternative approach would I used besides factoring to find the zeroes
?
 
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Offhand, I don't know of a system if the base isn't a prime. I would say you want to also look at zero divisors. Since 2*3=0 and 4*3=0, (x+1)(x+2)=0 could also mean x+1=2, x+2=3 (which gives you x=1) or x+1=3, x+2=4 (which gives you x=2). Since 6 is a small number, you could also just check all possibilities.
 
  • #11
Since there are only 6 members of Z_6, a "brute strength" method would be to put each number into the polynomial and see what happens!
Obviously 0^2+ 3(0)+ 2= 2, 1^2+ 3(1)+ 2= 6= 0 (mod 6), 2^2+ 3(2)+ 2= 12= 0 (mod 6), 3^2+ 3*3+ 2= 20= 2 (mod 6), 4^2+ 3(4)+ 2= 30= 0 (mod 6), 5^2+ 3(5)+ 2= 42= 0 (mod 6).
 
  • #12
Hey Halls, I think over here we call it "brute force" instead of "brute strength". :).
 
  • #13
Well, you have to have "brute strength" in order to use "brute force"! The important thing is being a brute.
 

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