Are bonds formed in higher energy levels weaker?

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The discussion revolves around the strength of bonds formed in higher energy levels, specifically comparing bonds in the 2p and 3p subshells. Participants explore concepts related to ionization energy, atomic structure, and the implications for bond strength in the context of group trends in the periodic table.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether bonds in the 2p subshell are stronger than those in the 3p subshell, considering they belong to the same group.
  • Another participant notes that there is no general rule regarding bond strength in different energy levels and mentions the existence of excimer molecules formed with excited atoms.
  • A participant expresses confusion about ionization energy trends when moving down a group, suggesting a possible misunderstanding of the concepts involved.
  • It is clarified that ionization energy generally decreases down a group due to increased atomic radius and weaker electrostatic attraction between valence electrons and the nucleus.
  • One participant proposes that bonds formed with electrons in higher energy levels may be weaker due to expanded octets in group three elements, leading to greater electron repulsion and smaller bond angles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between energy levels and bond strength, with no consensus reached on whether bonds in higher energy levels are definitively weaker.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the relationship between ionization energy and bond strength, as well as the specific conditions under which bonds may be considered weaker in higher energy levels.

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If there was a bond in the 2p vs 3p subshell, which would be stronger? Taking into consideration that they are in the same group

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There is no general rule that I am aware of. In some cases, you can only for molecules with excited atoms: excimer molecules.
 
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I see, thanks. But then when you move down a group, doesn't the ionisation energy increase? Or am I mixing two different things?
 
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I see, thanks. But then when you move down a group, doesn't the ionisation energy increase? Or am I mixing two different things?
Quite the opposite really, moving down a group the general trend is 1st ionisation values tend to decrease; this is explained by the increase in the number of occupied energy levels causing an increase in atomic radius, therefore electrostatic attraction between valence electrons and the nucleus is weaker. Hence, 1st I.E values decrease moving down a group as the atom requires less energy to be ionised and overcome the electrostatic attraction.

However, moving across a period 1st ionisation energy does increase as atom radius decreases; this is explained by the increase in effective nuclear charge (Zeff), therefore the valence electrons experience greater electrostatic attraction with the nucleus. Hence, 1st I.E values increase across a period as the atom requires greater energy to be ionised and overcome the electrostatic attraction.

Thought I might write this to help elucidate your question, hope it helps.

Yes, I suppose bonds made with electrons in higher energy levels are weaker as group three elements have expanded octets and thus can form more than the expected number of covalent bonds with other atoms. As a result, the electrostatic attraction could be weaker due to greater repulsion; this is probably explained by their smaller bond angles as electron domains form the greatest angles possible between one another to minimise repulsion. Hence, covalent compounds with trigonal bipyramidal and octahedral e- domain geometries tend to have smaller bond angles between electron domains compared to tetrahedral geometries, due to an increase in repulsion. This is just my guess.
 
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I see thanks mate
 

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