Chemical Bonds - various questions

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The discussion revolves around various questions related to chemical bonds, specifically focusing on the behavior of group 2 metals in ionic compounds, the energy dynamics in bond formation and dissolution, the nature of Van der Waals forces, and the characteristics of ionic versus covalent bonds. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that group 2 metals, such as magnesium, always form 2+ ions due to the energy dynamics involved in ionization and electron affinity, suggesting that the energy released when a non-metal accepts electrons compensates for the ionization energies.
  • Others discuss the role of water molecules in dissolving ionic compounds like NaCl, highlighting the dipole interactions and the increase in entropy as ions gain more freedom in solution.
  • There is a question regarding the transient nature of Van der Waals bonds, with some participants asserting that while these bonds are weak, they can still be stable.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the nature of ionic and covalent bonds, noting that no bond is purely ionic or covalent, but rather exists on a continuum.
  • One participant questions the source of energy released during bond formation, specifically when a chlorine atom gains an electron to form a bond with a cation, suggesting a need for clarity on where this energy originates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on several points, particularly regarding the nature of group 2 metal ions and the specifics of bond formation energy. Multiple competing views remain on the explanations provided for these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the complexity of energy changes during ionization and bond formation, as well as the varying interpretations of the nature of ionic versus covalent bonds. There are also unresolved questions regarding the stability of Van der Waals forces and the conditions under which certain ionic compounds may or may not form.

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A group 2 metal always forms 2+ ions, since the second electron is harder to remove how come you don't find 1+ ions of these in ionic compound formations, How does it always manage to lose both outer electrons?

So it takes a certain amount of energy to break a bond, how does water molecules provide the energy to break the bond in NaCl and dissolve it?

Is a Van der Waals binding very transient or does it remain?

A bond is never COMPLETELY ionic, it's always shared to some degree, but is it always within the realms of the anions outer shell?

I know this next question have been answered in a million places on line but I just can't grasp it. The release of energy when forming a bond. When a Cl atom picks up an extra electron and forms a full shell and an ionic bond with a cation it releases energy, WHERE from is this energy taken? If the Cl atom, where in the Cl atom was this energy before?
 
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ad 1: Consider the following disproportionation reaction ## \mathrm{2 MgCl} \rightleftharpoons \mathrm{Mg+MgCl_2}##. Clearly, going to the right, you have to ionize Mg##^+## another time, but this is partly compensated by the other Mg##^+## taking up the electron. Furthermore, Mg##^{2+}## is smaller than Mg##^+## so that the attraction between the Mg##^{2+}## ions and the Cl##^-## ions will be higher in the lattice. Furthermore, the electrons in ##Mg## are stabilized by metallic bonding. The net effect is that the equilibrium will lie on the far right.
ad 2: The water molecules have a dipole moment and the dipole-charge interaction is considerable. You should also not forget about the strong entropic component of this reaction as the ions in solution have much more degrees of freedom to move than in the crystal.
ad 3: A van der Waals bond is usually weak but may nevertheless be stable.
ad 4: I don't understand your question.
ad 5: This energy is mostly due to the attraction between the negative anion and positively charged cation.
 
I will start with your last question. Consider a bond forming between Cl- and H+ ions. You need to look at the total energy of the system (the bond formation): it is lower than the energy possessed by each ion. In other words, the total energy of the Cl anion and the H cation is higher than the H-Cl bond once formed. The difference in energy is released to the surroundings.

Going up the list, it is true that there are no 100% ionic or covalent bonds. They do exist along a continuum; I do not understand your question however.

As DrDu stated, Van der Waals forces are very weak, but can be stable. Induced molecular interactions are transient.

When NaCl (s) is placed in water, there is complete dissociation into Na cations and Cl anions. The attractive forces between the water (with a permanent dipole) and the Cl anions and Na cations lower the energy of the system as they form. The partial positive charge on water molecules is attracted to the anions, and the partial negative charge on water is attracted to the cations. These attractions are stronger than the lattice energy. Entropy plays a small part also.

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As far as Mg forming 2+ ions, again, you must look at the overall energy change of the system. The first and second ionization energies of Mg being oxidized to Mg2+ are more than compensated for by the energy released by a non metal accepting the electrons (electron affinity). Group 2 metal lose 2 electrons so that they will have a full outer shell of valence electrons. I do not understand DrDu's answer.
 
cheltzel said:
As far as Mg forming 2+ ions, again, you must look at the overall energy change of the system. The first and second ionization energies of Mg being oxidized to Mg2+ are more than compensated for by the energy released by a non metal accepting the electrons (electron affinity). Group 2 metal lose 2 electrons so that they will have a full outer shell of valence electrons. I do not understand DrDu's answer.
As far as I understood, the question was not, why e.g. Mg forms Mg2+ with an excess of oxidizing agent, but why we don't observe compounds containing monovalent alkaline Earth elements, e.g. MgCl. This is what I tried to answer.
 

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