Are e, pi, and i the most important non-integer numbers in mathematics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the significance of certain non-integer numbers in mathematics, specifically focusing on e, pi, and i, as well as other constants and fractions. Participants explore their importance in various mathematical contexts, including precalculus, calculus, quantum mechanics, and number theory.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants agree that e, pi, and i are among the most important non-integer numbers, with e being particularly significant in contexts like financial calculations and growth rates.
  • Others propose that constants like Euler's gamma, the golden ratio, and various zeta values are also important, suggesting a broader list of significant numbers.
  • Some participants argue that fractions such as 1/2 and 7/13 hold greater importance than the aforementioned constants, although this view is contested.
  • One participant highlights the significance of primes as foundational elements in mathematics.
  • Another participant mentions the importance of extended real numbers and projective infinity, indicating a wider scope of significant numbers beyond the initial discussion.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between e, pi, and i through the equation e^{i\pi} = -1, which is noted as a point of discussion in class.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions regarding the importance of various numbers, with no clear consensus on which numbers are the most significant. Disagreements arise particularly around the relevance of specific fractions compared to well-known constants.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the importance of numbers are based on their applications in specific mathematical fields, but the discussion does not resolve which numbers are definitively more important or why.

Elbobo
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That's what my Precal teacher said, and so far I agree with him (though that's not saying much as I've only been exposed up to Precal mathematics).

Do all of you mathematicians agree?
 
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I'm pretty sure 1/2 is more important than any of those.
 


Elbobo said:
That's what my Precal teacher said, and so far I agree with him (though that's not saying much as I've only been exposed up to Precal mathematics).

Do all of you mathematicians agree?

I would say kind of because what they represent in words is important, but the number value they hold is arbitrary.
 


In the world of quantum mechanics this is certainly true, I would say that the order is:

1) e
2) i
3) pi

In precal math you often use e to solve financial problems of calculating continually compounding interest. In calculus you find that e is present anytime that the rate of growth of something is proportional to the current amount e.g. money, population, etc. In advanced group theory you find that the exponential e is involved with compounding the infinitesimal generators of the lie algebra (the tangent space at the identity) into the finite elements of the lie group (the entire manifold).

Pi is found everywhere because spheres and circles are the most symmetrical objects (they are defined to be that way).

The imaginary unit i is of similar importance as the real unit 1. In quantum mechanics i is more important than 1, but 1 is also more important than Pi.

Of course, the decimal representations of pi and e are of no importance.
 


Werg22 said:
I'm pretty sure 1/2 is more important than any of those.
I totally disagree. 7/13 is much more important than any of the above-mentioned numbers.
 


I thought 22/7 was pi?
 


The primes are important since they can be regarded as the basic building blocks of all integers
 


arildno said:
I totally disagree. 7/13 is much more important than any of the above-mentioned numbers.

I haven't seen 7/13 in many applications or mathematical/scientific literature. 1/2 on the other hand...
 
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arildno why do you think 7/13 is important?
 
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Dadface said:
arildno why do you think 7/13 is important?

Because 6+7=13, whereas 6*7=42!
I thought that would have been obvious. :smile:
 
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Oh thanks.Nice one.I used to drive a Ford Prefect.
 
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The extended real numbers [itex]\pm \infty[/itex] are pretty darned important, as is projective infinity. Aleph-null too.
 
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(0.1)^n are pretty important, at least if you consider the decimal representations we use every day to be a part of math!
 
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Isn't there a better way to combine these?

[tex]e^{i\pi} = -1[/tex]
 
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what said:
Isn't there a better way to combine these?

[tex]e^{i\pi} = -1[/tex]

Yeah, that's the reason why he was discussing that in class =P
 
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uman said:
(0.1)^n are pretty important, at least if you consider the decimal representations we use every day to be a part of math!

No, not really. :)
 

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