Are Ghosts a Global Phenomenon Beyond Mythology?

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The discussion explores the cultural perceptions of ghosts and hauntings, highlighting that many Asian cultures view these phenomena as real occurrences rather than myths or superstitions. In contrast, Western skepticism tends to focus more on debunking other supernatural claims, with fewer efforts directed at ghost phenomena. Participants express a belief that unexplained events may exist, despite many being attributed to natural causes or fraud. The conversation raises questions about the nature of belief in ghosts and the difficulty of investigating such phenomena scientifically. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects a tension between personal experiences and the skepticism that surrounds paranormal claims.
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I honestly don't see how you'll be able to infer a physical theory for supposed hauntings of ghosts if they're real. Or are you more looking to explain the proposed psi effect from parapsychology?

Also, you say that you "believe" psi. I dare say it's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of reading the relevant journals, their critical appraisals, and coming to an expectation of what the likely outcome will be based on your readings, whilst best trying to keep bias and dissonance out of your reasoning as much as possible. That's the only way forward when it comes to evaluating contentious fields.
 
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imiyakawa said:
I honestly don't see how you'll be able to infer a physical theory for supposed hauntings of ghosts if they're real. Or are you more looking to explain the proposed psi effect from parapsychology?

Also, you say that you "believe" psi. I dare say it's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of reading the relevant journals, their critical appraisals, and coming to an expectation of what the likely outcome will be based on your readings, whilst best trying to keep bias and dissonance out of your reasoning as much as possible. That's the only way forward when it comes to evaluating contentious fields.

I'm not sure "explanation" of anything is possible. I "think" there may be a link between Psi and Haunting "symptoms". Psi induced noises, etc, perhaps? I hope to ask better "educated" questions, inspire thinking, rather than explain anything. Functional models(which do not directly reflect reality), exist in Physics. The best I could ever hope to do, would be to make "models" that could be supported, or invalidated.

Critical, Rational, Logical thinking is what got us to the moon, created modern technology, and drove us from Illogical Mysticism. I agree and support this.

"If" my "experiences" and "experiences" of others are credible, how do we gather data,(From a Physics Perspective)".

"Ghost Hunting Researchers" are perhaps "mostly" naive, with Gauss meters, audio recording devices, and similar tools of the trade. I "believe" some interesting anomalies have been recorded, but nothing I would consider "good proof" of anything. At best, I would consider this data, a "symptom".

"Ghost Hunting Researchers" lack of "proof" comes from lack of Intellectial abilities or lack of Sophisticated equipment? I believe NO. It may be from lack of "appropriate/applicable" technology/methodology.

One Professor asked me, "how do you expect to get proof without a PK meter". No such meter exists. Is PK the root of some symptoms? maybe? for what I personally experienced, it seems more reasonable than my deceased Uncle causing it.

Ignorance here is the "worst case" scenario. Ignorance of what Science can and can't offer. Ignorance of "seemingly" unexplainable phenomema. Ignorance of other possibilities. This is a "slippery" subject at best, I would not dare speak in absolutes about anything related.

I think this discussion is healthy, even if it exposes ignorance on my part. Cleaning ignorance from my mental closet is a good thing, correct?
 
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Well the idea of ghosts have been around for thousanads of years and is accepted by most religions. People don't believe in things that can't be proven for thousands.
 
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