Are ghosts real or just a scientific phenomenon?

[thumpy]

If you want a scientific explanation it's not physics you need to look to but psychology and neuroscience.

psychologists. i have as much faith in them as i do ghosts.

 

[Ryan_m_b]

psychologists. i have as much faith in them as i do ghosts.

You shouldn't be employing faith anyway to determine truth but if I take it that you meant that as a figure of speech may I humbly suggest that you are suffering from a grave ignorance.

 

[nombusoz]

Thanks guy for your help

 

[thumpy]

You shouldn't be employing faith anyway to determine truth but if I take it that you meant that as a figure of speech may I humbly suggest that you are suffering from a grave ignorance.

sorry. my exwife left me for a psychologist. i was just venting. besides, psychology suggests ,to me, that its mental. i trjuly do not believe what i saw was imagination. i am, like the person that started this thread, want to try to understand what i physically saw.

 

[Drakkith]

sorry. my exwife left me for a psychologist. i was just venting. besides, psychology suggests ,to me, that its mental. i trjuly do not believe what i saw was imagination. i am, like the person that started this thread, want to try to understand what i physically saw.

There are several possibilities, but you have already stated you don't think it was imaginary or mental, which are the only possibilities that science says there could be. If it was actually a ghost, meaning the spirit of a person who has died, then it is currently beyond science until one can be observed and evidence reliably recorded. Science doesn't say that ghosts CANNOT exist, only that we haven't observed them. We have immense mountains of evidence of other things that have been the cause for some people's alleged ghosts, such as a multitude of mental factors, and based on the available evidence "real ghosts" do not exist. If in the future reliable evidence comes forth that ghosts do in fact exist, then they will be incorporated into the body of knowledge that science helps build and interpret.

 

[zoobyshoe]

sorry. my exwife left me for a psychologist. i was just venting. besides, psychology suggests ,to me, that its mental. i trjuly do not believe what i saw was imagination. i am, like the person that started this thread, want to try to understand what i physically saw.

Thumpy, you had a pretty bad experience with a psychologist so you have a bias against psychology. That's pretty psychological, I hope you see. Hehe.

I'm half kidding. But only half. It seems what really probably bothers you about the notion of a "mental" explanation is what bothers everyone about it: it would mean we can't always trust our senses. That's a very hard thing for most people to face. We want to believe our senses give us 100% accurate information, or at least that we can always tell somehow when they aren't, that there's always some clue or tell-tale when we're experiencing an illusion of any kind.

 

[thumpy]

It seems what really probably bothers you about the notion of a "mental" explanation is what bothers everyone about it: it would mean we can't always trust our senses. That's a very hard thing for most people to face. We want to believe our senses give us 100% accurate information, or at least that we can always tell somehow when they aren't, that there's always some clue or tell-tale when we're experiencing an illusion of any kind.

thats exactly it. if the other person hadnt seen the same thing then i would have thought "great, now I am seeing thing" but i wasnt alone. and since i lied to her and said i didnt see anything there's no way either one of us influenced the other. and her description was so detailed. at firrst when i saw "it" i thought it was a real guy walking towards the car from the left side of the sstreet . about the time he reached the center of the hood he disappeared like a misty cloud of steam. and I am just going insane trying to rationilze it without admitting it was just my imagination. and for the heck of it i had a friend of a freindask a pshycologist about ghosts and he believed in em. so from one pshycologists point of view. ghosts exist.

 

[zoobyshoe]

thats exactly it. if the other person hadnt seen the same thing then i would have thought "great, now I am seeing thing" but i wasnt alone. and since i lied to her and said i didnt see anything there's no way either one of us influenced the other. and her description was so detailed. at firrst when i saw "it" i thought it was a real guy walking towards the car from the left side of the sstreet . about the time he reached the center of the hood he disappeared like a misty cloud of steam. and I am just going insane trying to rationilze it without admitting it was just my imagination. and for the heck of it i had a friend of a freindask a pshycologist about ghosts and he believed in em. so from one pshycologists point of view. ghosts exist.

Ever seen this Derren Brown demonstration of hypnosis?:

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