Are graduate courses during undergrad necessary for a top graduate school?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity and benefits of taking graduate courses during undergraduate studies for admission into top graduate schools, particularly in physics. Participants explore the implications of course selection, including the choice between pursuing a minor in mathematics or additional graduate physics courses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that taking 3-4 graduate physics courses can be sufficient for top schools, but emphasizes that it is not a requirement.
  • Another participant notes that graduate classes provide a head start and that competition at top schools may have taken more graduate courses, implying that more could be beneficial.
  • There is a discussion about whether to minor in mathematics or take an additional graduate physics course, with one participant arguing that a math minor could be advantageous, especially for theoretical work.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the utility of a math major for physics, suggesting that the math used in physics differs from upper-level mathematics.
  • A participant with a math PhD background mentions that a double major in math could be beneficial for certain areas like string theory, but this is conditional on individual interests and career goals.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for a math major, citing the overlap with physics and the ability to take more graduate courses in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the value of graduate courses and the choice between a math minor and additional physics courses. There is no consensus on the necessity of a math major for theoretical physics, with some supporting it and others questioning its relevance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the relationship between undergraduate coursework and graduate school admissions, as well as differing perspectives on the relevance of mathematics to physics.

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Im a physics major and will probably be able to fit in 3-4 graduate physics courses. Is this enough for top schools? Thanks for any help or advice!
 
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It's not a requirement, but there are two advantages to graduate classes. Firstly, you get a head start. Secondly, at tops schools, most of your best competition will have taken many of them. 3-4 is enough, but ideally, you might want to have gotten all your first-year graduate classes out of the way, some of which will probably be taken after the applications, so they won't show up on your record.
 
Also, would it be better to minor in math or to take an additional graduate physics course. I have one free elective and could use it for either. And after some minor adjusting I can probably do 5-6 grad courses which I think is solid
 
Also, would it be better to minor in math or to take an additional graduate physics course. I have one free elective and could use it for either. And after some minor adjusting I can probably do 5-6 grad courses which I think is solid

A lot of people here would tell you to focus on physics, but you might want to consider the fact that many Nobel Prize winners actually got a double major in math and physics. It just depends on what you are interested in doing. If math interests you and you want to do more theoretical stuff, go for the math minor.
 
Is double majoring in math helpful for theoretical? I like math but love physics.From what I've read, the math you use in physics is different than upper level math, so the math major isn't too useful. Not sure if I buy that though
 
From what I've read, the math you use in physics is different than upper level math, so the math major isn't too useful. Not sure if I buy that though

I think the minor, at least, would would probably pay off pretty well. For the major, again, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to do string theory, I would say a double major would be a very good idea, for example, if not mandatory.

I'm a math PhD student, by the way. I study topology and some mathematical physics, but I don't know the physics that well. It does give you some insights, particularly if you know where to look.
 
Hm definitely leaning towards the math major. Seems to be enough overlap and id get a lot more physics grad courses in too.
 
Thanks for your response by the way, it really was insightful
 

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