Are gravitational waves relativistic or Newtonian phenomenon?

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The discussion centers on the nature of gravitational waves and whether they can be understood through the lens of Newtonian mechanics or if they are inherently a relativistic phenomenon as described by general relativity. Participants explore theoretical implications, analogies with electromagnetic waves, and the significance of recent discoveries in gravitational wave research.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravitational waves could be explained by Newtonian mechanics, drawing parallels to electromagnetic waves produced by accelerating charges.
  • Others argue that Newtonian mechanics does not accommodate gravitational waves, as it describes gravity as instantaneous and does not account for energy loss in orbiting bodies.
  • A participant questions whether there is an intuitive analogy between electromagnetic fields and gravitational fields, suggesting a potential similarity in how changes in one field might affect the other.
  • Another participant references gravitoelectromagnetism as a relativistic result, asserting that no analogous concept exists within Newtonian mechanics.
  • One participant raises a question about the implications of gravitational wave discoveries for the theory of inflation, expressing skepticism about claims of irrefutable proof for inflation based on these findings.
  • It is noted that electromagnetic theory is fundamentally relativistic, which raises questions about the applicability of Newtonian gravity in explaining wave-like phenomena.
  • A later reply questions the validity of claims regarding gravitational waves proving inflation, suggesting that such assertions may be overstated or misrepresented by non-scientific sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express competing views on whether gravitational waves can be explained by Newtonian mechanics or if they are exclusively a relativistic phenomenon. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the nature of gravitational waves.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the Newtonian framework regarding energy conservation in gravitational systems and the absence of wave equations in Newtonian gravity, which may affect the understanding of gravitational waves.

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Today, all of the scientific world (including /r/physics) buzzes about BICEP2's discovery of gravitational waves dating from Big Bang as an undispute confirmation of the general relativity. Now I wonder is it really GR? Can't it be explained by simple Newton's mechanics?
I mean if you can explain electromagnetic waves as as a consequence of accelerating charge then sure you can expalain gravitational waves as a consequence of the accelerating mass.
 
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pero2912 said:
I mean if you can explain electromagnetic waves as as a consequence of accelerating charge then sure you can expalain gravitational waves as a consequence of the accelerating mass.
Surely not. Gravitation is instantaneous in Newtonian mechanics. There is nothing in the Newtonian description of gravity that allows for gravitational waves.

Another way to look at it: Gravitational waves represent energy lost to the universe by orbiting bodies. This doesn't happen in Newtonian mechanics, where gravitationally orbiting bodies conserve energy and angular momentum.
 
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Is there any intuitive analogy to the EM fields in gravity? I mean, in EM you have two fields, magnetic and electric where one's change produces other's. Is it something similar in GE?
 
I believe I shouldn't be asking a question under another question but... since the discovery of g waves was brought up...I didn't see the point in opening another thread. My question is this: Why is the discovery of gravitational waves being considered irrefutable proof for the theory of inflation? Are other theory's that include g waves now considered validated? (fecetious) tia
 
pero2912 said:
I mean if you can explain electromagnetic waves as as a consequence of accelerating charge then sure you can expalain gravitational waves as a consequence of the accelerating mass.

EM is a relativistic theory, not a Newtonian theory. The field theory needs to predict wave equations for the fields to satisfy (e.g. in vacuum) in order for wave-like solutions to exist for the theory. EM does this but Newtonian gravity does not.
 
I don't think the primary source claims anything about proving inflation, so anything to that extent is probably added by bloggers.
 

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