Are My Free Body Diagrams for Two Boxes on an Incline Correct?

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The discussion revolves around two boxes on an incline, focusing on the correctness of free body diagrams and the determination of their acceleration. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, particularly forces acting on objects in motion on an incline and the effects of friction.

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  • The original poster attempts to validate their free body diagrams and equations for the forces acting on the boxes. Some participants express their views on the diagrams' accuracy, while others question the assumptions made regarding tension and the relationship between the boxes' accelerations.

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The discussion includes various attempts to clarify the equations governing the motion of the boxes. Some participants provide feedback on the diagrams and equations presented, while others suggest methods for simplifying the problem and finding a common acceleration. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations and approaches without a clear consensus.

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Participants note that the original poster is working on a personal project rather than a formal homework assignment, which may influence the nature of the discussion and the types of feedback provided.

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Hello,

I have two boxes with the same mass sitting on an incline:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/97/boxesy.png

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The coefficient of kinetic friction between A and the incline is greater than the coefficient of kinetic friction between B and the incline. When I simulate this in Algodoo, I observe that A and B move as one. I assume they have the same acceleration.

I want to determine this acceleration. Firstly, here are my free body diagrams for both boxes:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1545/98782524.png

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http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4619/85772392.png

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Are these correct?

Thanks
 
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they look ok to me
 
This is actually not a homework/coursework question. I am doing this for a personal project. But if that's the best place to put it, that's fine with me.
I'll post my equations soon.
 
I got an email saying someone had replied to my question, but I see that the reply is not shown on this thread. I'm not sure what happened.
Anyway, here is the equation I had some up with for resultant force on A:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21ma%20%3D%20mg%20%5Csin%20%5Ctheta%20%2B%20T%20-%20%5Cmu_a%20mg%20%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta.gif

and for B:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21ma%20%3D%20mg%20%5Csin%20%5Ctheta%20-%20T%20-%20%5Cmu_b%20mg%20%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta.gif

The problem was that I was assuming T was equal to the 'x' portion of weight, and I was getting a weird result. In the email I had gotten, the person said I have to solve for T and a separately.
By setting the equations equal to each other, I have T:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21%5Cfrac%7B%5Cmu_amg%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cmu_bmg%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta%7D%7B2%7D.gif

and the acceleration as:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21g%5Csin%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cmu_bg%5Ccos%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cfrac%7B%5Cmu_ag%5Ccos%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cmu_bg%5Ccos%5Ctheta%7D%7B2%7D.gif

Thanks for the person who replied.
 
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You can simplify the formula for acceleration to a=gsinθ-0.5gcosθ(μab).

When you have similar problems with interacting bodies having the same acceleration, you can add all equations to cancel the internal forces, and then you get the common acceleration as the sum of all external forces divided by the total mass.

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I replied, but I misread the OP and wrote the equation too soon, so it was deleted.
 

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