Dynamic FBD - Man and box sliding on an incline

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a man and a box sliding down an incline, focusing on the forces acting on both objects and the role of friction. Participants are exploring the dynamics of the system, including the effects of static and kinetic friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on both the man and the box, including weight components and frictional forces. There are attempts to determine the maximum force the man can exert before slipping occurs, as well as questions about the direction of friction forces and the role of tension in the system.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the forces involved, with some participants suggesting different approaches to understanding the system dynamics. Hints and guidance have been provided, such as considering the accelerations of both the man and the box, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available or the methods they can employ. The discussion includes uncertainties about the setup and the assumptions being made regarding friction and forces.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Here is my attempt. I assumed that both the man and the box would slide down the incline. (The box is the left diagram and the man is on the right)
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The acceleration I get from this attempt tells me that they accelerate the other way. So do I have to change the directions of the friction forces to find the answer? I am not sure what to do next. Also how do I use the coefficient of static friction in this question?
 
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First find the maximum force can be applied(or pulled) by the man before he slips.
 
azizlwl said:
First find the maximum force can be applied(or pulled) by the man before he slips.

Is that just 784sin(37)? Since it's limited only by the friction force.
 
2 objects, man and box.

3 forces acting on the man.
The components of his weight, the force he pulls the box and static frictional force-Nμs.
Pulling force is limited by static force.

Check if his pulling force greater than the net downward force acting on the box.
 
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azizlwl said:
2 objects, man and box.

3 forces acting on the man.
The components of his weight, the force he pulls the box and static frictional force-Nμs.
Pulling force is limited by static force.

Check if his pulling force greater than the net downward force acting on the box.

Okay so I was given a hint by TA to assume there is no rope and to find the accelerations of both the box and the man. Turns out, the acceleration of the box is greater than the man so they will accelerate down the slope as one system and there will be tension in the rope.

As for what you said about the pulling force, do you mean the tension in the rope? I am confused :S

Next I proceeded to solve the system of equations but I still get the wrong answer:
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Just imagine there is a spring in the middle connected between the man and the box.
If the spring is contracted, it will pull the man down and the box up.
The spring is the muscles of the hands that being contracted to produce the force.

From the question, the man is trying to pull.
So he is applying a force and is transmitted to the box via the rope.
This force must be equal and opposite, according to Newton's 3rd law.
 
I'm not quite sure how to redraw the FBD with the muscles. Is my FBD correct first of all?
 
a=g(Sinθ-Cosθμ)

Since kinetic friction for the man less than the box, the rope will not be taut.

Thus the box will accelerate independently.
 

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