Are Net Forces Greater When Both Objects A and B Are in Motion During Collision?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of net forces during collisions between two objects, A and B, particularly when both are in motion. Participants explore the implications of different frames of reference and the concept of action-reaction forces in these scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when A and B collide while both are in motion, the net forces on each object are the sum of the forces exerted during the collision, questioning if this results in greater net forces compared to when only one object is in motion.
  • Another participant argues that the force experienced during a collision depends on the relative speeds of the objects, proposing that all scenarios can be viewed as the same collision from different reference frames.
  • A later reply questions the need to change the frame of reference to explain the existence of one pair of action-reaction forces.
  • One participant asserts that the terminology of "action/reaction" is misleading, emphasizing that there is only one interaction resulting in equal and opposite forces, regardless of which object is moving.
  • Another participant reinforces that the concepts of "action" and "reaction" are relative and that in any reference frame, the forces must be opposite to conserve momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of forces during collisions, particularly the relevance of action-reaction terminology and the implications of different frames of reference. No consensus is reached on whether the net forces are greater when both objects are in motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on reference frames and the potential confusion arising from the terminology used to describe forces. The discussion remains open regarding the implications of these factors on the understanding of collisions.

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Suppose there are two objects, denoted by A and B. When they collide with each other with the condition that A is stationary and B is in motion, B exerts an action force on A due to which A exerts a reaction force on B. Thus the net force exerted on A is FactionAB and the net force exerted on B is FreactionBA. Same is the case when A is in motion and B is at rest. But when A and B collide when they are in motion, the net force exerted on A is FactionAB + FreactionAB and the net force exerted on B is FactionBA + FreactionBA.
Question: Is my reasoning correct for the case when A and B collide when they are in motion? Is the net force exerted on A and B when they collide when they are in motion greater in magnitude than the net force exerted on A and B when they collide when only one of them is in motion?
 
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The force depends how fast they are moving relative to each other.

In fact, all three scenarios are essentially the same: the same collision in different frames of reference. If you wanted to analyse a collision where both objects are moving it's a good idea to change your reference frame to one in which only one object is moving.

Finally, for this reason, there is only really one pair of action -reaction forces in each case.
 
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@PeroK, Is it possible to explain that there is one pair of action-reaction forces without changing the frame of reference?
 
donaldparida said:
Question: Is my reasoning correct for the case when A and B collide when they are in motion?
No, you got confused by the physically meaningless "action / reaction" terminology.

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Is it possible to explain that there is one pair of action-reaction forces ...
There is one pair of equal but opposite forces, because there is one interaction. Forget the "action / reaction" labels. The case where both move shows why they are meaningless.
 
As A.T says, there is only one force exerted by A on B and only one force exerted by B on A. These two forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. This does not depend on which is moving and which is not. This is so in all cases.
 
"action" an "reaction" are only logical concepts, who is who is relative, if we take the reference frame of one of the objects we can consider the moving object is "acting" and the stopped object "reacting" but in a third reference frame we would only have two objects colliding, the forces must be opposite so that the momentum is conserved.
 

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