Are Old Weather Conditions Officially Tracked?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the availability and accessibility of official records of historical weather conditions, specifically focusing on the example of weather data for Lexington, Kentucky, on October 24th, 1983. Participants explore various resources and challenges related to tracking old weather data, including the reliability and accessibility of such archives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about official archives for historical weather data, specifically for Lexington, Kentucky, on a given date.
  • One participant suggests using newspaper archives as a backup resource for historical weather information.
  • Another participant mentions the existence of weather archives on weather.gov, providing links to access historical data.
  • There is a note about the legal certification of historical weather datasets and the challenges related to data validity, which may limit access to certain data.
  • Concerns are raised about the accessibility of weather databases, with one participant noting that freely accessible databases tend to disappear over time.
  • Some participants express surprise at the lack of easily accessible archives for historical weather data, suggesting that organizations like Google could potentially organize such information.
  • There is a discussion about the commercial nature of many organizations that handle weather data, which may limit public access to comprehensive archives.
  • One participant mentions that academic researchers generally have access to necessary data, but there is no public archive with full access.
  • Competition among companies that gather weather data is suggested as a reason for the lack of freely available historical data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general agreement on the challenges of accessing historical weather data and the commercial aspects that influence availability. However, there is no consensus on the existence of a single, comprehensive, and easily accessible archive for the public.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential inaccessibility of certain datasets due to legal challenges, the transient nature of freely available databases, and the commercial interests that may restrict public access to historical weather data.

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Any official (scientific, verified) tracking of old weather conditions that one can look up? Say, I wanted to know what the weather was like in Kentucky in the city of Lexington on October 24th, 1983. Is there some kind of official recorded archive to look such information up?
 
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kyphysics said:
Say, I wanted to know what the weather was like in Kentucky in the city of Lexington on October 24th, 1983. Is there some kind of official recorded archive to look such information up?
There could be better resources, but as a backup you could search the newspaper archives...

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1607? WOW! I wonder how accurate weather measurements were back then!
 
kyphysics said:
Any official (scientific, verified) tracking of old weather conditions that one can look up? Say, I wanted to know what the weather was like in Kentucky in the city of Lexington on October 24th, 1983. Is there some kind of official recorded archive to look such information up?
In the archives of weather.gov in the US.

https://www.weather.gov/wrh/climate
One can play around with date or month/year, and temperature or precipitation. Otherwise, one should find an archive newspaper from the area on that date.

An example of the almanac data for Lexington area, October 24, 1983.
From https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=lmk
 

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jim mcnamara said:
This huge historical dataset has legal certification - because of the fact that legal challenges to data validity keep occurring. So you can only look at small chunks, if you want to peek without having to pay.
-- oldest continuing temperature reporting goes back to 1659

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/

Old 1880 forward :
https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/21/why...shown-on-your-vital-signs-page-begin-at-1880/
Thank you. This was super helpful.

I also am surprised there isn't just some very easily accessible archive for this stuff. It can be very useful. It's like something I'd imagine Google wanting to organize/record. They practically "organize" the entire world already!
 
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Freely accessible weather databases have a tendency to appear and disappear on the web. In the past I found at least two - none of the links I saved work now.
 
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kyphysics said:
Thank you. This was super helpful.

I also am surprised there isn't just some very easily accessible archive for this stuff. It can be very useful. It's like something I'd imagine Google wanting to organize/record. They practically "organize" the entire world already!
Many of the organisation that gather and handle this data are wholly or at least in part commercial. Even organisations such as the the UK Met Office (which is owned by the UK Government) are in part funded by creating custom forecasts and selling access to their historical data to various companies.
As far as I understand academic researchers can in general get access to whatever data they need, but there is no archive that the public has full access to.

I suspect there might also be competition reasons. Many weather forecasts are created by companies which spend a lot of money gathering data; they would presumably strongly object if a government funded agency suddenly published similar data for free.
 
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