Are the Metrics \rho^{(p)} and \rho^{(q)} Equivalent on \Re^n?

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The discussion revolves around the equivalence of two families of metrics, \(\rho^{(p)}\) and \(\rho^{(q)}\), defined on \(\mathbb{R}^n\). The original poster attempts to demonstrate that these metrics generate the same topology for \(p, q \geq 1\) and \(p \neq q\), exploring various methods to establish this equivalence.

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  • The original poster outlines two main methods: showing that a set is open in one metric if and only if it is open in the other, and demonstrating the equivalence of the bases of the topologies generated by the metrics. They also consider a simplified case in \(\mathbb{R}^2\) with specific values of \(p\) and \(q\). Additionally, they propose an approach involving inequalities between the metrics.

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Some participants suggest that the metrics are equivalent due to their derivation from norms in finite-dimensional spaces. Guidance is offered regarding the use of Hölder's inequality to support the argument, although the original poster expresses uncertainty about the manipulation of the inequalities involved.

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The discussion includes considerations of specific values for \(p\) and \(q\) and the implications of these choices on the equivalence of the metrics. There is also a note of caution regarding the accuracy of variable notation in the inequalities presented.

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Show equivalence of family of metrics on \Re^n: \rho^{(p)}:(x,y)\rightleftharpoons(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^p)^{\frac{1}{p}} for p\geq1
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Want to show for p,q\geq1, p\neq q, that \rho^{(p)} and \rho^{(q)} generate the same topology. I tried two methods:

1. Show that a set is open in (\Re^n,\rho^{(p)}) iff it is open in (\Re^n,\rho^{(q)}).

2. Show that the bases are equivalent (an element of the base of the topology generated by \rho^{(p)} is a union of elements of the base of the topology generated by \rho^{(q)}.

Both reduced down to considering, for a fixed x_0\in\Re^n and r_p, the set B_{r_p}(x_0)=\{x\in\Re^n|\rho^{(p)}(x,x_0)<r_p\}. Then fix a point y\in B_{r_p}(x_0) and show there exists a r_q such that:

for any u satisfying \rho^{(q)}(u,y)<r_q, u also satisfies \rho^{(p)}(u,y)<r_p-\rho^{(p)}(y,x_0). Ie. that any point in B_{r_q}(y) is also in B_{r_p}(x_0).

Also tried to get ideas by simplifying problem to \Re^2 with p=1 and p=2. Was not very illuminating since I was still stuck working with the same expressions.

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Another method is to show that for any x,y\in\Re^n there exists c,C>0 such that:
c\rho^{(p)}(x,y)\leq\rho^{(q)}(x,y)\leq C\rho^{(p)}(x,y)
Ie. that:
c(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^p)^{\frac{1}{p}}\leq(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^q)^{\frac{1}{q}}\leq C(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^p)^{\frac{1}{p}}

I didn't know whether to attempt to show both inequalities at once or separately, but either way, I'm not sure how to manipulate all the exponents and absolute values...

Please help!
 
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Each of these metrics comes from a norm, and as such, they are all equivalent because R^n is finite dimensional.

If you don't know this, then I suggest you prove each of the metrics is equivalent to \rho^{(1)}. Holder's inequality will be useful here, because we can write (for p>1):

\sum |x_i - y_i| \leq \left(\sum |x_i - y_i|^p\right)^{1/p} \left(\sum 1^{p/(p-1)}\right)^{(p-1)/p}
 
Thank you so much! Very simple solution using Holder's, if I'm not wrong...

Using c(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^p)^{\frac{1}{p}}\leq(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^q)^{\frac{1}{q}}\leq C(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^p)^{\frac{1}{p}}, take
c=1 and C=\left(\sum 1^{p/(p-1)}\right)^{(p-1)/p}=n^{(p-1)/p}.

The first inequality holds iff c^p(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|^p)\leq(\sum_{i=1}^{n}|x_i-y_i|)^p which is obviously true by expansion.

The second inequality fulfills Holder's.

Yes?

Again, thanks so much! :)
 
Looks good (as long as that 'q' is actually a '1'!). :smile:
 

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