Equivalent Metrics From Clopen Sets

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of a metric space where two nonempty clopen sets are given. The original poster seeks to establish an equivalent metric that satisfies specific conditions related to these sets.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster considers defining a new metric and questions whether it needs to satisfy the properties of a metric or show equivalence with the existing metric. Participants discuss the implications of clopen sets and their relationship to connectedness.

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Participants are actively exploring the properties of the proposed metric and its equivalence to the original metric. Some have provided clarifications on the definitions and properties involved, while others are considering the implications of connectedness and the triangle inequality in their reasoning.

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There is a focus on the definitions of clopen sets and their implications in the context of metric spaces. The discussion includes references to textbook definitions and properties of connected subsets, indicating a reliance on established mathematical concepts.

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Homework Statement

Prove that if ##(X,d)## is a metric space and ##C## and ##X \setminus C## are nonempty clopen sets, then there is an equivalent metric ##\rho## on ##X## such that ##\forall a \in C, \quad \forall b \in X \setminus C, \quad \rho(a,b) \geq 1##.

I know the term "clopen" is not a very formal definition, at least not to my knowledge, but it does describe the two properties of the given sets: they are both open and closed.

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Would I have to show that the metric ##\rho## satisfies the properties of a metric or would I need to show that the metric ##d## and the metric ##\rho## generate the same topology to show they are equivalent?

If I define a function ##\rho: X \times X \to \mathbb{R}_+## by the following:

if both ##x,y## lie in either ##C## or ##X \setminus C##, then ##\rho(x,y) = d(x,y)##. Otherwise, let ##\rho(x,y) = d(x,y) +100##, say. How do I proceed to show that this function satisfies the properties of a metric, that it is equivalent to ##d##, and that it satisfies the desired property of ##\rho(x,y) \geq 1 ##?

As a side thought, would using sequences be useful here, or would this be a completely different approach?

Any help with this problem is greatly appreciated as I do not know where to begin or how to proceed in writing up a correct proof.

Thanks in advance for your time and patience.
 
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Do you know what property follows , i.e., is equivalent to having a clopen set other than X and the empty set?
 
Would it have something to do with being connected? My textbook states that a space ##X## is connected if there do not exist open subsets ##A, B## of ##X## such that ##A \neq \emptyset, \quad B \neq \emptyset, \quad A \cap B = \emptyset, \quad A \cup B = X##. Is this equivalent? Thank you for your prompt response.
 
Precisely, good going.
 
Ok, so if ##C \cup X \setminus C = X##, then this creates a separation, according to what I am reading from Fred H. Croom's Principles of Topology. How do I tie this together with metric spaces to show equivalence? Again, many thanks for your feedback.
 
jamilmalik said:
Ok, so if ##C \cup X \setminus C = X##, then this creates a separation, according to what I am reading from Fred H. Croom's Principles of Topology. How do I tie this together with metric spaces to show equivalence? Again, many thanks for your feedback.

There are two notions of equivalent metrics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_of_metrics Which one are you using? I'm guessing you are just looking for topological equivalence.
 
Yes, we are using topological equivalence. To be honest, I do not think I have seen strong equivalence before. Thank you for this clarification.
 
jamilmalik said:
Yes, we are using topological equivalence. To be honest, I do not think I have seen strong equivalence before. Thank you for this clarification.

Well then, just go ahead with your idea. Show ##\rho## is a metric. That should be easy. Then show they both generate the same topology. That's where you use the 'clopen'.
 
The basic properties of \rho as a metric follow from those of d(x,y). Just consider the cases for x,y,z are not all in the same component.
 
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So by construction, ##\rho(x,y) = d(x,y)## if both ##x,y \in C## or ##x,y \in X \setminus C##. As for considering the cases where ##x,y,z## are not all in the same component, my book defines component of a topological space as a connected subset ##C## of ##X## which is not a proper subset of any connected subset of ##X##. There is also a list of properties of the components which follow the definition, but I am unsure how to properly use this.

I get the feeling that showing the triangle inequality would look something like this:

if ##\rho(x,z) \leq \rho(x,y) + \rho(y,z)##, then let ##\rho(x,y) = d(x,y)+50## and let ## \rho(y,z) = d(x,y)+50## so that we get ##\rho(x,z) \leq d(x,y) +100##. Does this seem correct? Many thanks for your time and assistance.
 
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jamilmalik said:
So by construction, ##\rho(x,y) = d(x,y)## if both ##x,y \in C## or ##x,y \in X \setminus C##. As for considering the cases where ##x,y,z## are not all in the same component, my book defines component of a topological space as a connected subset ##C## of ##X## which is not a proper subset of any connected subset of ##X##. There is also a list of properties of the components which follow the definition, but I am unsure how to properly use this.

I get the feeling that showing the triangle inequality would look something like this:

if ##\rho(x,z) \leq \rho(x,y) + \rho(y,z)##, then let ##\rho(x,y) = d(x,y)+50## and let ## \rho(y,z) = d(x,y)+50## so that we get ##\rho(x,z) \leq d(x,y) +100##. Does this seem correct? Many thanks for your time and assistance.

WWGD was just using the word 'component' to refer to either ##C## or ##X \setminus C##. You know ##d## is a metric so use that to show the ##\rho## you defined in first post is also a metric.

So you can start by assuming ##d(x,y) \le d(x,z) + d(z,y)## for any ##x, y, z##. You want to show ##\rho(x,y) \le \rho(x,z) + \rho(z,y)##. Just consider the cases. It's pretty obvious if ##x##, ##y## and ##z## lie in the same set, yes? Now just consider other cases, like ##x## and ##y## lie in the same set and ##z## lies in the other. Or ##x## and ##z## are in the same set and ##y## is in the other. Is the ##\rho## inequality also true then? Just substitute for what ##\rho## is in terms of ##d##. Do you still get true inequalities?
 

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