Are There Numbers That Are Slightly Excessive?

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It should be [tex]\sigma(2^k)=2^{k+1}-1[/tex]. this tells youe 2^k can't be quasiperfect right?

So what about [tex]2^k n[/tex] where n is odd? If this is quasiperfect, can you say anything about n?
 
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genii not geniuses said:
if k = 4 then sigma(2^k) = 15

16 is a divisor of 16.
 
I follow you now but I don't know what I can say about n.
 
Can you say anything about [tex]\sigma(2^k n)[/tex]? You know it must be odd if this is quasiperfect...
 
well sigma(2^k*n) is even.
 
genii not geniuses said:
well sigma(2^k*n) is even.

What makes you say that?
 
Well, isn't the sum of the divisors of an even number always even?
 
genii not geniuses said:
Well, isn't the sum of the divisors of an even number always even?

No...[tex]\sigma(2)=3[/tex], [tex]\sigma(18)=\sigma(2)\sigma(9)=3\times 13=39[/tex]
 
Ohhhhhh... I'm used to not counting the number itself, which is why I keep getting confused.
 
sigma(2^k * n) = odd
 
genii not geniuses said:
sigma(2^k * n) = odd

[tex]\sigma(6)=12[/tex]

get used to counting the number itself. This sigma I've defined is the standard version across number theory texts.

You know that [tex]\sigma(ab)=\sigma(a)\sigma(b)[/tex] when a and b are relatively prime right (i.e. sigma is multiplicative)? Use this fact here.

I'm thinking we may be in trouble later on though, do you know about Quadratic Reciprocity?
 
No, explain please!
 
genii not geniuses said:
No, explain please!

I think you should get yourself a book with "elementary/introductory number theory" in the title and get to work. Head over to the "Number Theory" section of this website, there's a few threads posting book suggestions. get one (or several) and post questions there. This isn't really the best format for several number theory lectures (nor do i have the time), but we can definitely help you with sticking points as they come up.