Are There Numbers That Are Slightly Excessive?

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The discussion centers on the existence of slightly excessive numbers, also referred to as quasiperfect numbers, which are defined by the sum of their divisors equaling 2n + 1. Participants debate whether these numbers must be even or odd, with some arguing that if a quasiperfect number is odd, it would only have odd factors, leading to an even sum of divisors, which contradicts the definition. The conversation highlights the complexity of proving the properties of quasiperfect numbers, especially regarding their factor pairs and the implications of including or excluding the number itself in divisor sums. The existence of even quasiperfect numbers remains an open problem, with suggestions to explore the properties of odd quasiperfect numbers first. Overall, the thread reflects ongoing confusion and exploration in number theory regarding these unique numerical classifications.
  • #31
It should be \sigma(2^k)=2^{k+1}-1. this tells youe 2^k can't be quasiperfect right?

So what about 2^k n where n is odd? If this is quasiperfect, can you say anything about n?
 
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  • #32
genii not geniuses said:
if k = 4 then sigma(2^k) = 15

16 is a divisor of 16.
 
  • #33
I follow you now but I don't know what I can say about n.
 
  • #34
Can you say anything about \sigma(2^k n)? You know it must be odd if this is quasiperfect...
 
  • #35
well sigma(2^k*n) is even.
 
  • #36
genii not geniuses said:
well sigma(2^k*n) is even.

What makes you say that?
 
  • #37
Well, isn't the sum of the divisors of an even number always even?
 
  • #38
genii not geniuses said:
Well, isn't the sum of the divisors of an even number always even?

No...\sigma(2)=3, \sigma(18)=\sigma(2)\sigma(9)=3\times 13=39
 
  • #39
Ohhhhhh... I'm used to not counting the number itself, which is why I keep getting confused.
 
  • #40
sigma(2^k * n) = odd
 
  • #41
genii not geniuses said:
sigma(2^k * n) = odd

\sigma(6)=12

get used to counting the number itself. This sigma I've defined is the standard version across number theory texts.

You know that \sigma(ab)=\sigma(a)\sigma(b) when a and b are relatively prime right (i.e. sigma is multiplicative)? Use this fact here.

I'm thinking we may be in trouble later on though, do you know about Quadratic Reciprocity?
 
  • #42
No, explain please!
 
  • #43
genii not geniuses said:
No, explain please!

I think you should get yourself a book with "elementary/introductory number theory" in the title and get to work. Head over to the "Number Theory" section of this website, there's a few threads posting book suggestions. get one (or several) and post questions there. This isn't really the best format for several number theory lectures (nor do i have the time), but we can definitely help you with sticking points as they come up.
 
  • #44
ok, thanks!
 

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