Are These Formulas for Indefinite Integrals and Antiderivatives Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the correctness of various formulas for indefinite integrals and antiderivatives, exploring their theoretical implications and practical utility. Participants examine the notation and structure of these integrals, as well as their pedagogical value.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a series of formulas for indefinite integrals and antiderivatives, questioning their correctness.
  • Another participant criticizes the use of "dx^2" for double integrals and expresses skepticism about the necessity of listing all those integrals.
  • Some participants argue that the integrals may have didactic value, although the purpose of memorization is questioned.
  • Concerns are raised about the practical application of such integral tables, with some participants stating they have never needed them in their mathematical careers.
  • A participant suggests that a proof of the formulas would be necessary to evaluate their correctness.
  • Further discussion includes how to express families of antiderivatives for functions that do not have elementary integrals, with examples provided.
  • Questions are posed regarding the theoretical versus practical applications of mathematical theories, referencing Riemann's work in differential geometry.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the utility and correctness of the presented formulas. There is no consensus on whether the formulas are correct or useful, and multiple competing views remain regarding their pedagogical value.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of the formulas, particularly in cases where functions do not have elementary integrals, and the discussion reflects unresolved mathematical steps and definitions.

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[tex]\int \frac{d}{dx}f(x)dx = f(x) + C_x[/tex] [tex]\iint \frac{d^2}{dx^2}f(x)dx^2 = f(x) + xC_x + C_{xx}[/tex]
[tex]\int \frac{\partial}{\partial x}f(x,y)dx = f(x,y) + g_x(y)[/tex] [tex]\int \frac{\partial}{\partial y}f(x,y)dy = f(x,y) + g_y(x)[/tex]
[tex]\iint \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}f(x,y)dx^2 = f(x,y) + x g_{x}(y) + g_{xx}(y)[/tex] [tex]\iint \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x \partial y}f(x,y)dxdy = f(x,y) + \int_{y_0}^{y}g_x(y)dy + G_x(y_0) + g_y(x)[/tex] [tex]\iint \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y \partial x}f(x,y)dydx = f(x,y) + \int_{x_0}^{x}g_y(x)dx + G_y(x_0) + g_x(y)[/tex] [tex]\iint \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}f(x,y)dy^2 = f(x,y) + y g_y(x) + g_{yy}(x)[/tex]

I was trying apply the idea of indefinite integral (ie, the antiderivative of a function + a arbitrary constant/function) for all possible cases. You think that all equation above are correct?
 
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I would NOT write "[itex]dx^2[/itex]" for a double integral. And, frankly, I can see no point in writing out all those integrals!
 
IMO, those integral are usefull for didactic efect.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I would NOT write "[itex]dx^2[/itex]" for a double integral. And, frankly, I can see no point in writing out all those integrals!
+1 to both.

Jhenrique said:
IMO, those integral are usefull for didactic efect.
For what purpose - to be memorized?
 
Jhenrique said:
IMO, those integral are usefull for didactic efect.

In my mathematical career, I have never needed integral tables like in the OP.
 
Anyway, you want to know whether the formulas are correct? Well, then give us a proof of the formula and we'll tell you if the proof is right or wrong.
 
micromass said:
In my mathematical career, I have never needed integral tables like in the OP.

How you express a family of antiderivative of a function (f'(x)) that haven't integral?

##\int f'(x) dx = \int_{x_0}^{x} f'(x) dx + f(x_0) + C##

But if you want to integrate twice a function (f''(x) (in this case)) that haven't integral in terms of elementary functions? Answer:

##\iint f''(x) dxdx = \iint_{x_0 x_0}^{x\;x} f''(x) dx dx + f'(x_0)(x - x_0) + f(x_0) + xC_1 + C_2##

Why Riemann did want to study and develop his theory of differential geometry if hadn't application? Why he wanted. Sometimes a theory haven't practice application but has just theoretical application.
 
Jhenrique said:
How you express a family of antiderivative of a function (f'(x)) that haven't integral?

##\int f'(x) dx = \int_{x_0}^{x} f'(x) dx + f(x_0) + C##

But if you want to integrate twice a function (f''(x) (in this case)) that haven't integral in terms of elementary functions? Answer:

##\iint f''(x) dxdx = \iint_{x_0 x_0}^{x\;x} f''(x) dx dx + f'(x_0)(x - x_0) + f(x_0) + xC_1 + C_2##
What good does having this formula do for you? If f'' doesn't have an antiderivative in terms of elementary functions, then how are you going to get f', or for that matter, f?
Jhenrique said:
Why Riemann did want to study and develop his theory of differential geometry if hadn't application? Why he wanted. Sometimes a theory haven't practice application but has just theoretical application.
 

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