Are these values of the following correct? (Complex cube root of unity)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of complex cube roots of unity, specifically evaluating expressions involving these roots. The original poster presents calculations for three cases involving the expressions \(1+x^2+x^4\), \(1+x^5+x^{10}\), and \(1+x^9+x^{18}\) using the roots \(\omega\) and \(\omega^2\), which are defined as the non-real cube roots of unity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants examine the validity of the expressions derived from the properties of cube roots of unity. Some participants question the necessity of stating the condition \(1+x+x^2=0\) explicitly in the problem description. Others discuss the nature of the roots, clarifying that while all cube roots of unity are complex, only one is real.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants suggest simplifying the expressions using the property \(x^3=1\), while others provide alternative representations of the roots. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several participants are engaging with the mathematical reasoning presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem does not explicitly state the condition \(1+x+x^2=0\), which leads to some confusion. Additionally, there is a discussion about the definitions and representations of the cube roots of unity, including their polar forms.

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Homework Statement
Let ## x ## be a complex cube root of unity, so that ## x^3=1 ## but ## x\neq 1 ##. What are the values of the following?
a) ## 1+x^2+x^4 ##
b) ## 1+x^5+x^{10} ##
c) ## 1+x^9+x^{18} ##
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Given that x is a complex cube root of unity, we have ## x^{3}=1 ## but ## x\neq 1 ##, where the cube roots of unity are ## 1, \omega, \omega^2 ## and ## \omega, \omega^2 ## are the imaginary roots such that ## \omega^3=1, 1+\omega+\omega^2=0 ##.
Now we will consider three cases of the following.
Case #1: Consider the value of ## 1+x^2+x^4 ##.
Let ## x=\omega ## or ## x=\omega^2 ## and ## \omega^3=1 ##,
so ## x^4=\omega^4=\omega\cdot \omega^3=\omega ##.
This gives ## 1+x^2+x^4=1+\omega^2+\omega ## for ## x=\omega ## and ## 1+x^2+x^4=1+(\omega^2)^2+(\omega^2)^4=1+\omega+\omega^2 ## for ## x=\omega^2 ##.
Thus, ## 1+x^2+x^4=1+\omega+\omega^2=0 ##.
Case #2: Consider the value of ## 1+x^5+x^{10} ##.
Let ## x=\omega ## or ## x=\omega^2 ## and ## \omega^3=1 ##,
so ## x^5=\omega^5=\omega^2\cdot \omega^3=\omega^2\cdot 1=\omega^2 ## and ## x^{10}=(\omega^5)^2=(\omega^2)^2=\omega^4=\omega\cdot \omega^3=\omega ##.
This gives ## 1+x^5+x^{10}=1+\omega^2+\omega ## for ## x=\omega ## and ## 1+x^5+x^{10}=1+(\omega^2)^5+(\omega^2)^{10}=1+\omega+\omega^2 ##.
Thus, ## 1+x^5+x^{10}=1+\omega+\omega^2=0 ##.
Case #3: Consider the value of ## 1+x^9+x^{18} ##.
Let ## x=\omega ## or ## x=\omega^2 ## and ## \omega^3=1 ##,
so ## x^9=(\omega)^9=(\omega^3)^3=1^3=1 ## and ## x^{18}=(\omega)^{18}=(\omega^3)^6=1^6=1 ##.
Thus, ## 1+x^9+x^{18}=1+1+1=3 ##.
Therefore, the values of ## 1+x^2+x^4, 1+x^5+x^{10}, 1+x^9+x^{18} ## are ## 0, 0, 3 ##.
 
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Math100 said:
Given that x is a complex cube root of unity, we have ## x^{3}=1 ## but ## x\neq 1 ##, where the cube roots of unity are ## 1, \omega, \omega^2 ## and ## \omega, \omega^2 ## are the imaginary roots such that ## \omega^3=1, 1+\omega+\omega^2=0 ##.
1. Is the condition that ##1 + x + x^2 = 0## given as part of the problem? If so you should have stated it in the problem description.
2. Strictly speaking, all of the cube roots are 1 are complex (not imaginary) but the third has no imaginary part; i.e., 1.
BTW, the nonreal cube roots of 1 are ##-\frac 1 2 + i\frac{\sqrt 3}2## and ##-\frac 1 2 + i\frac{\sqrt 3}2##. Another representation (polar form) for them is ##e^{\frac{2\pi}3i}##. You can merely plug these values in the three separate expressions.
 
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Mark44 said:
1. Is the condition that ##1 + x + x^2 = 0## given as part of the problem? If so you should have stated it in the problem description.
2. Strictly speaking, all of the cube roots are 1 are complex (not imaginary) but the third has no imaginary part; i.e., 1.
BTW, the nonreal cube roots of 1 are ##-\frac 1 2 + i\frac{\sqrt 3}2## and ##-\frac 1 2 + i\frac{\sqrt 3}2##. Another representation (polar form) for them is ##e^{\frac{2\pi}3i}##. You can merely plug these values in the three separate expressions.
1) The condition that ## 1+x+x^2=0 ## is not given as part of the problem, it's something I came up with.
2) Based on these complex cube roots of ## 1 ##, I plugged them into the given expressions and got the exact same results as ## 0, 0, 3 ## for the final values. I was wrong thinking that the cube roots of ## 1 ## is imaginary when it's complex.
 
Thank you so much for your help, @Mark44 !
 
Math100 said:
1) The condition that ## 1+x+x^2=0 ## is not given as part of the problem, it's something I came up with.
It happens to be true, but it's something that you should provide some evidence for. It's immediately obvious if you set x to ##-\frac 1 2 + i\frac{\sqrt 3}2##, one of the cube roots of 1. ##x^2## turns out to be the complex conjugate of x, so the imaginary parts cancel and##x + x^2## results in -1.
 
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Math100 said:
Given that x is a complex cube root of unity, we have ## x^{3}=1 ## but ## x\neq 1 ##, where the cube roots of unity are ## 1, \omega, \omega^2 ## and ## \omega, \omega^2 ## are the imaginary roots such that ## \omega^3=1, 1+\omega+\omega^2=0 ##.
Now we will consider three cases of the following.
Case #1: Consider the value of ## 1+x^2+x^4 ##.
Let ## x=\omega ## or ## x=\omega^2 ## and ## \omega^3=1 ##,
so ## x^4=\omega^4=\omega\cdot \omega^3=\omega ##.
This gives ## 1+x^2+x^4=1+\omega^2+\omega ## for ## x=\omega ## and ## 1+x^2+x^4=1+(\omega^2)^2+(\omega^2)^4=1+\omega+\omega^2 ## for ## x=\omega^2 ##.
Thus, ## 1+x^2+x^4=1+\omega+\omega^2=0 ##.
Case #2: Consider the value of ## 1+x^5+x^{10} ##.
Let ## x=\omega ## or ## x=\omega^2 ## and ## \omega^3=1 ##,
so ## x^5=\omega^5=\omega^2\cdot \omega^3=\omega^2\cdot 1=\omega^2 ## and ## x^{10}=(\omega^5)^2=(\omega^2)^2=\omega^4=\omega\cdot \omega^3=\omega ##.
This gives ## 1+x^5+x^{10}=1+\omega^2+\omega ## for ## x=\omega ## and ## 1+x^5+x^{10}=1+(\omega^2)^5+(\omega^2)^{10}=1+\omega+\omega^2 ##.
Thus, ## 1+x^5+x^{10}=1+\omega+\omega^2=0 ##.
Case #3: Consider the value of ## 1+x^9+x^{18} ##.
Let ## x=\omega ## or ## x=\omega^2 ## and ## \omega^3=1 ##,
so ## x^9=(\omega)^9=(\omega^3)^3=1^3=1 ## and ## x^{18}=(\omega)^{18}=(\omega^3)^6=1^6=1 ##.
Thus, ## 1+x^9+x^{18}=1+1+1=3 ##.
Therefore, the values of ## 1+x^2+x^4, 1+x^5+x^{10}, 1+x^9+x^{18} ## are ## 0, 0, 3 ##.
May I suggest simplifying by using the fact that ##x^3 =1##.

a) ##1+x^2+x^4## = ##1+x^2+x^3x = 1+x^2 + x##

b) ##1+x^5+x^{10} = 1+x^3x^2 + (x^3)^3x = 1+x^2+x##

So a) and b) are the same!

c) ##1+x^9 + x^{18} = 1+(x^3)^3 + (x^3)^6 = 1+1+1=3##
 
Aside from, and agreeing with, what @Steve4Physics suggests, I don't see any advantage in bringing another variable, ##\omega## into the mix.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
May I suggest simplifying by using the fact that ##x^3 =1##.

Together with <br /> 1 + x^n + x^{2n} = \begin{cases} \frac{1 - x^{3n}}{1 - x^n} &amp; x^n \neq 1, \\ 3 &amp; x^n = 1.\end{cases}
 
Mark44 said:
It happens to be true, but it's something that you should provide some evidence for. It's immediately obvious if you...
Agreed. It's even more obvious with Viela's Theorem, which sadly, is only lightly covered in the Mad Rush to Calculus.

Using it, one can show that for all integers n > 1, the sum of the nth roots of 1 is zero. In two lines, one of which is stating the problem. :smile:
 
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Viela's Theorem
Vieta's Theorem?
 

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