Area of a plane enclosed within a cube

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The problem involves finding the area of the plane defined by the equation y=3x, which is enclosed within a cube formed by the planes x=y=z=±5. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the dimensions of the area and the relationship between the plane and the cube.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the area by identifying intersection points and dimensions but questions their reasoning when the calculated area does not match a provided answer. Other participants suggest considering the extent of the plane in the z direction and clarify the nature of the plane's definition.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the misunderstanding about the plane's dimensions and its relationship with the cube. Guidance has been offered regarding the vertical extent of the plane and its implications for calculating the area.

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The original poster expresses frustration over their perceived inability to grasp the problem, indicating a personal struggle with the concepts involved. There is a focus on visualizing the plane within the constraints of the cube.

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Homework Statement


Find the area of the plane y=3x enclosed within the cube formed by the planes x=y=z= [itex]\pm[/itex] 5

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Using the equation y=3x, I found two points (x,y)=(5,1.66) and (x,y)=(-5,-1.66), then by plugging these points in the distance formula, I got the magnitude of one dimension equal to 10.54. I feel that the size of the other dimension must also be 10.54, so the area should be 111.09. But the answer given in my book is 105.4. I've been visualizing and thinking for hours on end about this, but I can't pin down what mistake I'm making.
It's such a simple problem, and I'm really very disappointed at my inability to think clearly. :/

Please help me. :confused:
 
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You've done the hard part! In the z direction, the plane is vertical, so what is the extent of the plane within the cube?
 
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haruspex said:
You've done the hard part! In the z direction, the plane is vertical, so what is the extent of the plane within the cube?

Hello haruspex,

Since the plane given is the xy plane, I think the extent of the plane in the z direction should be 0? :confused:
 
ViolentCorpse said:
Hello haruspex,

Since the plane given is the xy plane, I think the extent of the plane in the z direction should be 0? :confused:

I think you mean the two intersection points in the x-y plane are (x,y)=(5/3,5) and (x,y)=(-5/3,-5). Your intersection surface is a rectangle, so yes, one side is approximately 10.54. I don't know how you are visualizing the other side to be the same. Try again. So far, every thing is just in the x-y plane. z goes from -5 to 5. So??
 
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Dick said:
I think you mean the two intersection points in the x-y plane are (x,y)=(5/3,5) and (x,y)=(-5/3,-5).

I think this is the core misunderstanding from my part. The way I see it, the y=3x plane is just a tilted version of the bottom/top face of the cube (these faces have no z direction, do they?). So, I imagine a horizontal plane inside the cube, and this is why I think there should be no z involved... :confused:

I am wrong, I just need you to help me see why.

Thank you so much!
 
ViolentCorpse said:
I think this is the core misunderstanding from my part. The way I see it, the y=3x plane is just a tilted version of the bottom/top face of the cube (these faces have no z direction, do they?). So, I imagine a horizontal plane inside the cube, and this is why I think there should be no z involved... :confused:
A plane defined by y=3x takes all z values independently of x and y. It is the line y=3x in the xy plane extended vertically through all z values.
 
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haruspex said:
A plane defined by y=3x takes all z values independently of x and y. It is the line y=3x in the xy plane extended vertically through all z values.

Ohhh! Wow, I feel so stupid now. It makes perfect sense.

Thank you so much, haruspex! I REALLY appreciate your valuable help! Thanks a ton! :smile:
 

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