Area Of An Isosceles Triangle As A Function Of Theta

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The discussion revolves around the area of an isosceles triangle as a function of the vertex angle theta and the length of the congruent sides, denoted as x. Participants are exploring the formulation of the area and its derivative with respect to time, considering how changes in x and theta affect the area.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the area function A = 1/2 x^2 cos(θ/2) and its time derivative dA/dt. There are questions about the correctness of these derivations and the assumptions regarding the triangle's dimensions and angles.

Discussion Status

Some participants are questioning the initial area function and derivative proposed, suggesting alternative formulations and clarifying assumptions about the triangle's geometry. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the variables involved and their relationships.

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There is uncertainty about the definitions of the variables, particularly whether θ refers to the vertex angle and whether x represents the lengths of the congruent sides. Additionally, there is a lack of clarity on the correct application of derivatives in this context.

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Would this would the proper function, as described in the title of this thread, [itex]A = 1/2 x^2 \cos \frac{\theta}{2}[/itex]?

And suppose that the side x and the angle were changing with time, would the derivative, with respect to time, be [itex]\frac{dA}{dt} = x \cos \frac{\theta}{2} - 1/4 x^2 \sin \frac{\theta}{2}[/itex]?

Did I properly derive these?
 
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Bashyboy said:
Would this would the proper function, as described in the title of this thread, [itex]A = 1/2 x^2 \cos \frac{\theta}{2}[/itex]?

And suppose that the side x and the angle were changing with time, would the derivative, with respect to time, be [itex]\frac{dA}{dt} = x \cos \frac{\theta}{2} - 1/4 x^2 \sin \frac{\theta}{2}[/itex]?

Did I properly derive these?

You could use some parentheses in those expressions. A much easier formula to work with is$$A =\frac 1 2 x^2\sin\theta$$
 
Bashyboy said:
Would this would the proper function, as described in the title of this thread, [itex]A = 1/2 x^2 \cos \frac{\theta}{2}[/itex]?

I neglected to answer that. The answer is no.
 
You really have left a lot to us to interpret. I assume that you mean that "[itex]\theta[/itex]" is the "vertex" angle- the one opposite the "odd" side. Further, I assume that you are taking "x" to be the length of the two congruent sides. I can't be certain because you do not say any of that.

If that is what you intended, the dropping a perpendicular from the vertex gives two right triangles with angle [itex]\theta/2[/itex] and hypotenuse of length x. The "opposite side", half the base of the original triangle, has length [itex]x sin(\theta/2)[/itex] and the "near side", the altitude of the original triangle, is [itex]x cos(\theta/2)[/itex]. The whole base of the triangle is [itex]2x sin(\theta/2)[/itex] and so the area is [tex]A= (1/2)(2 x sin(\theta/2))(x cos(\theta/2))= x^2 sin(\theta/2) cos(\theta/2)[/itex].<br /> <br /> In any case, your result, [itex]dA/dt= xcos(\theta/2)- (1/4)x^2 sin(\theta/2)[/itex] cannot possibly be correct because there is no derivative with respect to time. If A is a function of x and y and both are functions of t, then [itex]dA/dt= (\partial A/\partial x)(dx/dt)+ (\partial A/\partial y)(dy/dt)[/itex]. You have only "[itex]\partial A/\partial x+ \partial A/\partial y[/itex]".[/tex]
 

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