Area Under a Curve: Calculations & Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of finding the area under a curve using integration, specifically focusing on the integral of linear and quadratic functions. Participants explore the relationship between differential elements and the area calculation, as well as the application of geometric interpretations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reflects on the meaning of dx as a small amount of x and attempts to relate it to the area under the curve, suggesting that the area under the line y=x from 0 to 2 can be calculated using the integral \int^{2}_{0}dx, which equals 2.
  • Another participant clarifies that to find the area under the line y=x from 0 to 2, the integral should be \int_0^{2} x dx, emphasizing the need to sum small strips of area as Δx approaches 0.
  • There is a mention of geometric methods for finding area in special cases, such as when the graph forms a triangle.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the integral notation, admitting that \int^{2}_{0}dx is not the same as \int^{2}_{0}xdx.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of integration to find areas under curves, with some focusing on the geometric interpretation while others emphasize the mathematical formulation. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach or interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Riemann integral and its definition, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of integration techniques and the conditions under which they hold true.

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Hey everyone :D

I know basic integration and differentiation and I was siting on my bed today thinking how on Earth any of it could correlate to finding the area under a curve.
So! I got out my trusty pen and paper and got to work!

After much thought I wrote: " If dx means 'a small amount of x' then, if we graph x then dx in the graph must still be a small amount of x, only... at which point?
So I just assumed that dx one part of x as a whole. Remembering some of my physics class I calculated the area under the graph of "x" from points 0-2 on the x-axis which equals 2.
So in my assumtion dx would be from 1-2 or 0-1 on the x axis.
and therefor.
the area under the line must equal: \int dx
but, from 0-2 how do you calculate it? \int^{2}_{0}dx= which does equal two.

So, If the applies for linear equations it must apply for quadratic equations as well, right?

So in the equation f(x)=-7x^{2}+6
The area under the curve for this from 1 to 2 on the x-axis must equal:
\int^{2}_{0}(-7x^{2}+6)dx
correct?
 
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yyttr2 said:
After much thought I wrote: " If dx means 'a small amount of x' then, if we graph x then dx in the graph must still be a small amount of x, only... at which point?
So I just assumed that dx one part of x as a whole. Remembering some of my physics class I calculated the area under the graph of "x" from points 0-2 on the x-axis which equals 2.
So in my assumtion dx would be from 1-2 or 0-1 on the x axis.
and therefor.
the area under the line must equal: \int dx
but, from 0-2 how do you calculate it? \int^{2}_{0}dx= which does equal two.

If you are finding the area under the line y=x from 0 to 2, the integral should be

\int_0 ^{2} x dx = 2

When you draw the line y=x and draw the verticals x=0 and x=2, the distance Δx, represents a small strip if width 'Δx' and length 'y' . So the area of that strip is 'y Δx'. To find the total area, one sums up all the small strips, from x=0 to x=2. But for the area to be exact, the limit must be taken as Δx tends to 0.

A= \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \sum_{x=0} ^{x=2}y Δx = \int_0 ^{2} y dx

and in this case y=x. So the integral becomes

A= \int_0 ^{2} x dx


Only in special cases can you find the area using geometric methods, for example, y=x and x=0,x=2, forms a triangle.
 
When you draw the line y=x and draw the verticals x=0 and x=2, the distance Δx, represents a small strip if width 'Δx' and length 'y' . So the area of that strip is 'y Δx'. To find the total area, one sums up all the small strips, from x=0 to x=2. But for the area to be exact, the limit must be taken as Δx tends to 0.
A=lim_{x\rightarrow0}\sum^{x=2}_{x=0}y916;x=\int^{2}_{0}ydx

Yes *cough* what you said.

and I was assuming \int^{2}_{0}dx was the same as \int^{2}_{0}xdx
Sorry for that mistake :)
 
yyttr2 said:
I know basic integration and differentiation and I was siting on my bed today thinking how on Earth any of it could correlate to finding the area under a curve.
Because of the very definition of the (Riemann) integral.
 

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