Integration from "Area Under Curve" Perspective: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of an improper integral, specifically the integral $$\int_{\frac{1}{2}}^1 \frac{x}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}dx$$. Participants explore the concept of calculating the area under a curve, addressing the implications of vertical asymptotes and the behavior of the function as it approaches these points. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, intuitive reasoning, and comparisons to other mathematical concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the integral and suggests that the area appears infinite due to a vertical asymptote at x = 1.
  • Another participant points out that the integral is improper and should be evaluated using limits, providing a limit-based calculation.
  • Some participants express confusion about the area being finite despite the presence of a vertical asymptote, suggesting that the graph's behavior leads to a finite area.
  • There is a comparison made between the area under the curve and the convergence of infinite geometric series, with some participants reflecting on their previous assumptions about infinite areas.
  • Participants discuss bounding integrals with infinite series and the implications for convergence, with references to specific substitutions and Riemann sums.
  • One participant mentions the integral of the Gaussian function as an example of a finite area under an infinite curve.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the area under the curve, with some believing it to be infinite while others argue for its finiteness based on the integral's evaluation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the intuitive understanding of these concepts.

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Participants reference various mathematical techniques and substitutions without reaching a consensus on their validity or applicability in this context. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of functions near asymptotes and the nature of improper integrals.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and practitioners of calculus, particularly those exploring improper integrals, the concept of area under curves, and the relationship between integrals and infinite series.

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$$\int_\frac{1}{2}^1 \frac{x}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}dx$$
I can calculate the value of the integration, it will be ##\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}##

But if I draw the function and consider the area bounded by the curve and x-axis from x = 0.5 to x = 1, it seems that the area will be infinite because x = 1 is vertical asymptote.

Why can't I consider from "area under curve" perspective to calculate this integration? Thanks
 
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You have an improper integral, you need to consider limits. Define$$I(a) = \int_{\frac{1}{2}}^a \frac{x}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} = \left[ -\sqrt{1-x^2} \right]_{\frac{1}{2}}^{a} = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} - \sqrt{1-a^2}$$Then take the limit$$\lim_{a \rightarrow 1} I(a) = \lim_{a\rightarrow 1} \left( \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} - \sqrt{1-a^2} \right) = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}$$
 
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songoku said:
it seems that the area will be infinite because x = 1 is vertical asymptote.
As Hamlet said I know not "seems". The integral tells you that the area is in fact finite.
 
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Thank you very much etotheipi and Perok
 
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songoku said:
Summary:: $$\int_\frac{1}{2}^1 \frac{x}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}dx$$

I can calculate the value of the integration, it will be ##\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}##

But if I draw the function and consider the area bounded by the curve and x-axis from x = 0.5 to x = 1, it seems that the area will be infinite because x = 1 is vertical asymptote.

Why can't I consider from "area under curve" perspective to calculate this integration? Thanks
Intuitively, the graph gets thin faster than it goes up. The result of the integration shows that the area is finite. That happens a lot.
 
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FactChecker said:
Intuitively, the graph gets thin faster than it goes up. The result of the integration shows that the area is finite. That happens a lot.
I always thought the area of such case would always be infinite. Now I think maybe the case is similar to sum to infinity of convergent geometric series.

Thank you very much FactChecker
 
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songoku said:
I always thought the area of such case would always be infinite. Now I think maybe the case is similar to sum to infinity of convergent geometric series.

Thank you very much FactChecker

Remember integrals are approximated above and below by infinite series. Here, make a substition ##u=1-x^2## (let's not worry about whether this calculation is actually valid), to get

$$\int_{3/4}^{0} \frac{-\frac{1}{2} du}{\sqrt{u}} $$
$$\frac{1}{2} \int_{0}^{3/4} \frac{du}{\sqrt{u}}.$$

Now do the substition ##v=1/u##
$$\frac{1}{2} \int_{4/3}^{\infty} \sqrt{v} \frac{dv}{v^2}$$

This last integral is approximated by Riemann sums that look like (when bounding both from below and above) ##\sum \frac{1}{n^{3/2}}## and therefore it converges.
 
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songoku said:
Now I think maybe the case is similar to sum to infinity of convergent geometric series.
Exactly.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Remember integrals are approximated above and below by infinite series. Here, make a substition ##u=1-x^2## (let's not worry about whether this calculation is actually valid), to get
It is valid but ##u=\sqrt{1-x^2}## is nice as well.

What infinite series are you bounding this integral with and why?
 
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lurflurf said:
It is valid but ##u=\sqrt{1-x^2}## is nice as well.

What infinite series are you bounding this integral with and why?

You can draw rectangles of width 1 above the graph of ##1/x^{3/2}## to show that if ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^{3/2}}## converges, then so does ##\int_1^{\infty} \frac{1}{x^{3/2}} dx##. This is equivalent to the convergence of the integral in the original post. My point was that the op said something about how integrals converging feels like infinite sums converging, and to demonstrate how the convergence of the integral in this thread is literally equivalent to the convergence of an infinite series.
 
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songoku said:
I always thought the area of such case would always be infinite. Now I think maybe the case is similar to sum to infinity of convergent geometric series.
One of the most amazing results in mathematics is that the area under the infinite Gaussian curve is: $$\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-x^2} dx = \sqrt \pi$$
 
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Thank you very much for all the help and explanation etotheipi, Perok, FactChecker, Office_Shredder, lurflurf
 

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