Area Under Curve: Finding the Missing Area

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between the curve defined by the function \(f(x)=x\cdot \ln^{2}(x)-x\) and the x-axis. Participants explore the integration process and the implications of the function's behavior over the interval from \(0\) to \(e\), particularly focusing on the area between \(0\) and \(\frac{1}{e}\).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the provided solution for the area, noting that it does not account for the area between \(0\) and \(\frac{1}{e}\).
  • Another participant confirms that the domain of the function is \(x > 0\) and discusses the limit of the function as \(x\) approaches \(0\), suggesting that the point \((0,0)\) is not on the curve.
  • There is a challenge regarding whether the area from \(0\) to \(\frac{1}{e}\) can be ignored since the origin is not on the graph.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous points and expresses understanding of the implications regarding bounded areas.
  • One participant reiterates the area calculation and emphasizes that the area must be expressed as a nonnegative quantity, despite the integral yielding a negative value.
  • Detailed integration steps are provided, including substitutions and integration by parts, leading to a calculated area of approximately \(1.95\) square units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the area between \(0\) and \(\frac{1}{e}\). While some argue it should not be ignored, others focus on the bounded area from \(\frac{1}{e}\) to \(e\). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of the area from \(0\) to \(\frac{1}{e}\).

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding the area calculation and the implications of the function's behavior near the origin. There are also dependencies on definitions related to bounded areas and the treatment of negative areas in the context of physical quantities.

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Hello,

I am looking for the area between

\[f(x)=x\cdot ln^{2}(x)-x\]

and the x-axis.

I have a solution in hand, it suggests that the area is:

\[\int_{\frac{1}{e}}^{e}(x-x\cdot ln^{2}(x))dx\approx 1.95\]

I have a problem with this solution, I don't understand where the area between 0 and 1/e had gone to...

I plotted the function in maple, and an area is appearing very clearly (see photo).

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So my question: Do you think like me, that the solution attached to this exercise is wrong? If not, where does this area gone to ?

thanks !
 

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What is the domain of the given curve?
 
x>0 ?
 
Yankel said:
x>0 ?

Yes, and so even though we may state (and you may want to verify this with L'Hôpital's Rule):

$$\lim_{x\to0}f(x)=0$$

Can we say that the point $(0,0)$ is actually on the curve?
 
(0,0) is not on the curve, I know. But what about the area from 0 to 1\e ? I can't ignore it because 0 is not on the graph.
 
If the origin is not on the curve, then can we say that area to which you refer is truly bounded?
 
A-ha, now I understand what you say...
Didnt see it coming.
Thanks ! Great help.
 
Yankel said:
Hello,

I am looking for the area between

\[f(x)=x\cdot ln^{2}(x)-x\]

and the x-axis.

I have a solution in hand, it suggests that the area is:

\[\int_{\frac{1}{e}}^{e}(x-x\cdot ln^{2}(x))dx\approx 1.95\]

I have a problem with this solution, I don't understand where the area between 0 and 1/e had gone to...

I plotted the function in maple, and an area is appearing very clearly (see photo).

View attachment 2029

So my question: Do you think like me, that the solution attached to this exercise is wrong? If not, where does this area gone to ?

thanks !

Mark is correct that the only bounded area is where $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{e} \leq x \leq e \end{align*}$. Notice that this region is BELOW the x axis, so you will get a negative answer. But since you are asked for the AREA, you must give the absolute value of this amount (as areas, being a physical quantity, are always nonnegative).

Now as for the actual integration...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int_{\frac{1}{e}}^e{x\left[ \ln{(x)} \right] ^2 - x \, dx } &= \int_{\frac{1}{e}}^e{x\left\{ \left[ \ln{(x)} \right] ^2 - 1 \right\} \, dx } \\ &= \int_{\frac{1}{e}}^e{\frac{x^2 \left\{ \left[ \ln{(x)} \right] ^2 - 1 \right\} }{x}\, dx} \end{align*}$

Now make the substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} t = \ln{(x)} \implies dt = \frac{1}{x}\,dx \end{align*}$, and note that when $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{1}{e}, t = -1 \end{align*}$ and when $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = e, t = 1 \end{align*}$, the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int_{\frac{1}{e}}^e{\frac{x^2 \left\{ \left[ \ln{(x)} \right] ^2 - 1 \right\} }{x}\,dx} &= \int_{-1}^1{ \left( e^t \right) ^2 \left( t^2 - 1 \right) \, dt } \\ &= \int_{-1}^1{e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) \, dt } \end{align*}$

Now applying integration by parts with $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = t^2 - 1 \implies du = 2t\,dt \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} dv = e^{2t} \, dt \implies v = \frac{1}{2}e^{2t} \end{align*}$ we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) \, dt} &= \frac{1}{2} e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) - \int{t\,e^{2t}\,dt} \end{align*}$

and applying integration by parts again with $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = t \implies du = dt \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} dv = e^{2t} \, dt \implies v = \frac{1}{2} e^{2t} \end{align*}$ and we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{2}e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) - \int{t\,e^{2t}\,dt} &= \frac{1}{2}e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) - \left( \frac{1}{2}t\,e^{2t} - \int{\frac{1}{2} e^{2t}\, dt} \right) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) - \frac{1}{2} t\, e^{2t} + \frac{1}{2} \int{ e^{2t} \, dt} \\ &= \frac{1}{2}e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) - \frac{1}{2} t\, e^{2t} + \frac{1}{4}e^{2t} + C \\ &= \frac{1}{2} e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 - t + \frac{1}{2} \right) + C \\ &= \frac{1}{2} e^{2t} \left( t^2 - t - \frac{1}{2} \right) + C \end{align*}$

and so evaluating the definite integral we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int_{-1}^1{e^{2t} \left( t^2 - 1 \right) \, dt} &= \frac{1}{2} \left[ e^{2t} \left( t^2 - t - \frac{1}{2} \right) \right] _{-1}^1 \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \left( -\frac{1}{2}e^2 - \frac{3}{2}e^{-2} \right) \\ &= -\frac{1}{4} \left( e^2 + 3e^{-2} \right) \\ &\approx. -1.95 \end{align*}$

So the area you are looking for is $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\frac{1}{4} \left( e^2 + 3e^{-2} \right) \,\textrm{units}^2 \approx 1.95 \, \textrm{units}^2 \end{align*}$.
 

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