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News Arizona Utility Official Threatens to Cut Off Electricity to Los Angeles

  1. May 19, 2010 #1

    chemisttree

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    In response to LA's threatened boycott of all things Arizona, an official of Arizona's version of a Public Utilities Commission (http://www.azcc.gov/divisions/administration/about.asp" [Broken]!

    This is getting uug-lee..
     
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  3. May 19, 2010 #2
    That's like Russia cutting off gas to Ukraine.
     
  4. May 19, 2010 #3

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    Was Ukraine threating a boycott of Russian goods? I don't think so. That dispute had to do with Ukraine's theft of gas being transported to the EU and a dispute of transit prices of that gas through Ukraine.

    A little different from what is going on in AZ don't you agree?
     
  5. May 19, 2010 #4
    The motives are different yes, but still it's an economic warfare.

    Some of those comments are amusing:

     
  6. May 19, 2010 #5

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    You just can't make stuff like this up. :uhh:
     
  7. May 19, 2010 #6

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    Considering how contentious city water rights are becoming in Colorado, I think the best solution for Colorado is to divert as much of the water in the Colorado to the Front Range as technologically possible.

    Enough pipelines and Arizona and Los Angeles won't have to argue about electricity anymore.

    That's only half kidding. When they decided on how much water Arizona, California, and other downstream states should receive, they set an absolute number based on one of the wettest years in history when they should have set a percentage. It's gotten to the point that Colorado suffers during the dry years because downstream states still have to receive their allocated amount regardless of how much that leaves for Colorado.
     
  8. May 19, 2010 #7
    Priceless. Make a threat the federal government would disallow for reasons of keeping the peace and national security... that will surely stimulate your economy. Didn't AZ learn anything from the MLK Day issue? I suppose this is what comes of living in a dusty ****heap.
     
  9. May 19, 2010 #8

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    This is hilarious... Best comedian I've seen yet! This is such a great caricature of what Arizona's doing right now!

    Wait... This is real?
     
  10. May 19, 2010 #9

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    Perhaps Mr. Pierce is basing his own boycott on California's stringent penal code regarding illegal aliens.

    http://www.gilacourier.com/?p=6328

    I wonder if previous contact with law enforcement officials is more or less stringent than this law?

    Papers please? NO ICE CREAM FOR YOU!!
     
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  11. May 19, 2010 #10

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    Well if you like militaristic terms, LA took first blood, not Az. It is also an apropos response, given how LA is so irresponsible in finding time to allow power companies to build/upgrade in the area, but finds plenty of time to blow hard about Az.
     
  12. May 19, 2010 #11

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    Apparently Az uses http://www.cap-az.com/operations/recharge/recharge-in-arizona/water-sources/" [Broken] to desalinate, Az could skim 1.8GWe off Palo Verde Nuclear's 4GWe alone (i.e a little more than the cut going to LA) and replace their entire water supply from the Sea. Oh, add some largish 50 miles of pipes and pumps coming up from the Gulf of California.
     
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  13. May 19, 2010 #12
    This is not relevant to the discussion. The failures of LA are numerous, but that does not change the absurdity of this "threat" in response to boycotts that were discussed from the moment that this law was proposed. In any case, LA will have the backing of the federal government in this, for better or worse, whereas AZ is looking to be SUED by the federal government. In military parlance, they are fighting a losing battle of principle with real bullets, and they are outgunned and surrounded. Surrender or perish. :)
     
  14. May 19, 2010 #13
    The west as a whole is built on the illusion that their water usage is not only sustainable, but scalable to an increasing population. It is not. I recommend the book: The Cadillac Desert, written in '86. Water right issues are even older than the issue of immigration, with the writing on the wall for decades.
     
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  15. May 19, 2010 #14
    Notice that is if people are arrested. The police are supposed to get your information to put on record and if in that process they find you are an illegal alien they are supposed to remand you to the custody of immigration authorities. It is fully legal and constitutional and in reality is not very stringently enforced which has had CA conservatives up in arms the past few years.
     
  16. May 19, 2010 #15

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    There are Californian conservatives?

    I do want to say that I'm not surprised that the anti-immigration laws in California aren't strictly in force. Considering both the fact that Hispanics form 37% of the population, a helper, and the fact that California is the main home of La Raza, as well as the notorious liberality of the state, I'm not surprised.
     
  17. May 19, 2010 #16
    Yes but the conservatives here probably look liberal to most conservatives elsewhere. An old coworker of mine came here from Georgia; he said he thought he was liberal until he got here. And we have a 'conservative' governor you know ;-p.

    I think that the primary reason this particular law is not enforced very strictly is because of the number of people who are arrested on a regular basis. The system has a hard enough time just processing them normally, getting sued left and right by immigrant rights groups would just place a larger burden on the system. There are 'sanctuary' policies in some cities too. LA* got in a spot of trouble when it was found out that they were taking illegal juveniles who had been arrested and packing them off to low security juvenile facilities in smaller inland cities, to 'hide' them I guess, where upon they would usually just walk out of the facilities and go back to committing crimes and running with their gangs. The 'Inland Empire' was not very happy about this.

    *edit: actually I think this was San Francisco, maybe both.
     
  18. May 19, 2010 #17

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    Sorry to inform you, but Spokane residents know that the "Inland Empire" consists of Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho.

    Joking aside, I see your point. I suppose that would be a factor.
     
  19. May 20, 2010 #18
    CA conservatives? Oh yes, northern and southern. You think a bunch of liberals elected the Governator?! I am baffled by the American obsession with "liberal" as a dirty word, and conservative as a virtue. Ideologues on all sides are inherently blind, and bound by their political bases. People chatter about Bush being conservative, but his military policies were anything BUT conservative. Obama is liberal, but he's mainly centrist, and saddled with a greedy and incompetent congress. His policies on gay participation in the military is verbally liberal, but practically conservative.

    In the end, the threat from AZ is an empty one, and those always weaken a position. This is not about declared political allegiance, but rather a complex interplay of special interests, both financial and social. America is paralyzed by polarization, but so few seem to ask "cui bono?" The beaurocratic lifers do, business and banks do, and the politicians who dodge important issues while they gin up outrage over "values". Now you have this ridiculous law, because the immigration is an emotional issue, and that has been so completely exploited for political positioning that legislation at the federal level does not proceed, and your states go berserk. A bit like education and abortion policies. It is the best system for such a large country, but it is still laughably inept. Perhaps an inept and greedy system is preferable to one that can exert a more authoritarian hold.
     
  20. May 20, 2010 #19

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    I choose to read that law as, "...any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws." :uhh:

    Maybe a comma would help... (or a law degree)
     
  21. May 20, 2010 #20
    The california utilities (Southern Cal Edison, So Cal Public Power, and LA Dept of Water & Power) own (and, they paid for building) about 30 percent of the Palo Verde facility. So a good fraction of that power isn't really "Arizona's" to hold back.

    Now that's something we can agree on.
     
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