News Arizona Utility Official Threatens to Cut Off Electricity to Los Angeles

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The discussion centers around Arizona's response to a potential boycott from Los Angeles, with comparisons drawn to geopolitical conflicts like Russia and Ukraine. Participants debate the implications of economic warfare, the legality and enforcement of Arizona's controversial immigration law, and the complexities surrounding water and power distribution between states. Comments highlight the absurdity of threats to cut power as a form of retaliation, with some arguing that Arizona's utilities are unlikely to follow through due to shared ownership of power facilities with California. The conversation also touches on broader issues of immigration policy, law enforcement practices, and the political climate in both states, with a mix of humor and frustration expressed regarding the situation. Overall, the thread reflects a deep-seated tension between Arizona and California, fueled by political maneuvering and differing views on immigration and resource management.
  • #61
and, speaking of Mexico and immigration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#Mexico

Mexico

In the first six months of 2005 alone, more than 120,000 people from Central America have been deported to their countries of origin. This is a significantly higher rate than in 2002, when for the entire year, only 130,000 people were deported [17]. Another important group of people are those of Chinese origin, who pay about $5,500 to smugglers to be taken to Mexico from Hong Kong. It is estimated that 2.4% of rejections for work permits in Mexico correspond to Chinese citizens [18]. Many women from Eastern Europe, Asia, and Central and South America are also offered jobs at table dance establishments in large cities throughout the country causing the National Institute of Migration (INM) in Mexico to raid strip clubs and deport foreigners who work without the proper documentation [19]. In 2004, the INM deported 188,000 people at a cost of $10 million [20]. Illegal immigration of Cubans through Cancún tripled from 2004 to 2006. [21]

In September 2007, Mexican President Calderón harshly criticized the United States government for the crackdown on illegal immigrants, saying it has led to the persecution of immigrant workers without visas. "I have said that Mexico does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico," he said.[80]

In October 2008, Mexico tightened its immigration rules and agreed to deport Cubans using the country as an entry point to the US. It also criticized U.S. policy that generally allows Cubans who reach U.S. territory to stay. Cuban Foreign Minister said the Cuban-Mexican agreement would lead to "the immense majority of Cubans being repatriated."[81]

mexico doesn't seem to have any problem at all deporting immigrants.
 
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  • #62
Nebula815 said:
Real war is something historically beloved by the political Left, because it unites industry and state. The Progressives supported U.S. entry into World War I and also liked the effects of World War II for these reasons. Lyndon Johnson took us into Vietnam. Nixon, the "warmonger," is the one who ended the Vietnam War when he opened Northern Vietnam and Cambodia up to bombing finally.

Today's left differ from the Progressives in that they do not like formal war, but rather the moral equivalency of war; I'm sure you've heard how some on the Left want a WWII-style effort to combat global warming for example. They always want something to make everyone hold hands and march in lockstep and to unite industry and state, to give the government wide-reaching powers over the economy.

Nebula815 said:
No one likes war. Even if you have strict politicians who could give a crap either way, war is very risky from a political standpoint. But from a moral standpoint as well, most do not like war.

You sound pretty self-contradictory here.
 
  • #63
Char. Limit said:
You sound pretty self-contradictory here.

Good point; I guess I mean most people don't like war, certain radical aspects of the political Left being an exception.
 
  • #64
Amazing news flash, to me at least. This is a good a place as any to post:

Obama to Deploy 1,200 National Guard Troops to the US-Mexico Border

President Obama has authorized the call-up of 1,200 National Guard troops to the US Mexico border, an administration official confirms, requesting $500 million in supplemental funds.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/obama-to-deploy-1200-national-guard-troops-to-the-usmexico-border.html

It's well short of what's needed, but is still a huge improvement over the hack policy of condescending to and bad mouthing Arizona.
 
  • #65
I really think the point of AZ threating to pull the plug on LA was to point out the idiocy of the LA city council boycott of any entity that has anything to do with AZ. The city council says that if you have anything to do with AZ then we will no longer do business with you. However there was no move by the city council to stop buying power from AZ.

It would be like saying that because Philip Morris (before 2007) makes and sells tobacco products that I'm going to boycott the company and everything associated with the company. However you still buy Kraft food products on a regular basis.
 
  • #66
Well, I was hoping he'd go through with it, but ah well. I guess we'll have to find somewhere else to fan some flames into a nuclear civil war...

(Note: The above post is meant to show the possibility of the worst-case scenario if AZ had gone through with it. It was not a serious remark, repeat, it was not a serious remark. One more time just to make sure, it was not a serious remark.)
 

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