News Arizona Utility Official Threatens to Cut Off Electricity to Los Angeles

[Nebula815]

Twisty logic is the administration calling terrorism "man made disasters" IMO.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

Twisty logic is the administration calling terrorism "man made disasters" IMO.

You just post right-wing talking points, sans evidence, in every thread you're in? What's the deal with that? If this is going to be your MO, at least start backing up your diatribes.

 

[Nebula815]

You just post right-wing talking points, sans evidence, in every thread you're in? What's the deal with that? If this is going to be your MO, at least start backing up your diatribes.

I have done no such thing. I would be terrible at writing talking points. Talking points have a reason for their name: you can say them as a point, not writing a paragraph. I try to explain my points. As for other things, I thought a lot of it was common knowledge.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

I have done no such thing. I would be terrible at writing talking points. Talking points have a reason for their name: you can say them as a point, not writing a paragraph. I try to explain my points. As for other things, I thought a lot of it was common knowledge.

If it is common knowledge, citing that should be easy, so please do. For the talking points, I said you echo them, not that you write them. That is the whole aim of a talking point; a meme that can be passed until it is "common knowledge" or rather, commonly accepted.

 

[Nebula815]

If it is common knowledge, citing that should be easy, so please do. For the talking points, I said you echo them, not that you write them. That is the whole aim of a talking point; a meme that can be passed until it is "common knowledge" or rather, commonly accepted.

Except they aren't memes passed around, they are positions that Obama has actively supported and ran on.

It is Obama who said he wanted to raise taxes in the name of "fairness" and "economic justice" and whatnot. He said that in multiple debates and speeches.

Obama himself has spoken numerous times about cap-and-trade, and got into a battle with the Chamber of Commerce because they don't support it. When Congress said they can't pass cap-and-trade right now, the administration said they would allow the EPA to regulate carbon as a pollutant, essentially bypassing the legislative.

Obama's position on abortion is so extreme that the right-wing equivalent would be a pro-life person who believes birth control is evil and if a pregnancy threatens the mother, she should risk it anyway. He voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. NARAL was okay with the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

The Employee Free Choice Act (an Orwellian name for union card check), Obama was one of the co-sponsors.

And universal healthcare was one of Obama's primary campaign promises.

None of these are talking points.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

Except they aren't memes passed around, they are positions that Obama has actively supported and ran on.

It is Obama who said he wanted to raise taxes in the name of "fairness" and "economic justice" and whatnot. He said that in multiple debates and speeches.

Obama himself has spoken numerous times about cap-and-trade, and got into a battle with the Chamber of Commerce because they don't support it. When Congress said they can't pass cap-and-trade right now, the administration said they would allow the EPA to regulate carbon as a pollutant, essentially bypassing the legislative.

Obama's position on abortion is so extreme that the right-wing equivalent would be a pro-life person who believes birth control is evil and if a pregnancy threatens the mother, she should risk it anyway. He voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. NARAL was okay with the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

The Employee Free Choice Act (an Orwellian name for union card check), Obama was one of the co-sponsors.

And universal healthcare was one of Obama's primary campaign promises.

None of these are talking points.

OK, but I am forced to take your word for it, or research it myself. Again, you make the claim, so you provide the research, links, and so forth. It may seem silly to you, but why should I just say, "Oh yes, this person online is speaking gospel truth"? I am not saying you lie, but you could be wrong, or misinformed.

 

[mheslep]

.So don't tell me that conservatives don't like war. Their track record shows a stark contrast to your words.

Conservatives don't like war.

 

[Nebula815]

OK, but I am forced to take your word for it, or research it myself. Again, you make the claim, so you provide the research, links, and so forth. It may seem silly to you, but why should I just say, "Oh yes, this person online is speaking gospel truth"? I am not saying you lie, but you could be wrong, or misinformed.

So you need sources to "prove" to you that Obama wants to raise taxes, enact card check, enact cap-and-trade, ran on universal (government) healthcare, etc...

 

[Proton Soup]

Conservatives don't like war.

enough of this. they all like war. liberals just pretend to not like war when they're not the ones waging it.

 

[Nebula815]

No one likes war. Even if you have strict politicians who could give a crap either way, war is very risky from a political standpoint. But from a moral standpoint as well, most do not like war.

 

[Proton Soup]

and, speaking of Mexico and immigration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#Mexico

Mexico

In the first six months of 2005 alone, more than 120,000 people from Central America have been deported to their countries of origin. This is a significantly higher rate than in 2002, when for the entire year, only 130,000 people were deported [17]. Another important group of people are those of Chinese origin, who pay about $5,500 to smugglers to be taken to Mexico from Hong Kong. It is estimated that 2.4% of rejections for work permits in Mexico correspond to Chinese citizens [18]. Many women from Eastern Europe, Asia, and Central and South America are also offered jobs at table dance establishments in large cities throughout the country causing the National Institute of Migration (INM) in Mexico to raid strip clubs and deport foreigners who work without the proper documentation [19]. In 2004, the INM deported 188,000 people at a cost of $10 million [20]. Illegal immigration of Cubans through Cancún tripled from 2004 to 2006. [21]

In September 2007, Mexican President Calderón harshly criticized the United States government for the crackdown on illegal immigrants, saying it has led to the persecution of immigrant workers without visas. "I have said that Mexico does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico," he said.[80]

In October 2008, Mexico tightened its immigration rules and agreed to deport Cubans using the country as an entry point to the US. It also criticized U.S. policy that generally allows Cubans who reach U.S. territory to stay. Cuban Foreign Minister said the Cuban-Mexican agreement would lead to "the immense majority of Cubans being repatriated."[81]

mexico doesn't seem to have any problem at all deporting immigrants.

 

[Char. Limit]

Real war is something historically beloved by the political Left, because it unites industry and state. The Progressives supported U.S. entry into World War I and also liked the effects of World War II for these reasons. Lyndon Johnson took us into Vietnam. Nixon, the "warmonger," is the one who ended the Vietnam War when he opened Northern Vietnam and Cambodia up to bombing finally.

Today's left differ from the Progressives in that they do not like formal war, but rather the moral equivalency of war; I'm sure you've heard how some on the Left want a WWII-style effort to combat global warming for example. They always want something to make everyone hold hands and march in lockstep and to unite industry and state, to give the government wide-reaching powers over the economy.

No one likes war. Even if you have strict politicians who could give a crap either way, war is very risky from a political standpoint. But from a moral standpoint as well, most do not like war.

You sound pretty self-contradictory here.

 

[Nebula815]

You sound pretty self-contradictory here.

Good point; I guess I mean most people don't like war, certain radical aspects of the political Left being an exception.

 

[mheslep]

Amazing news flash, to me at least. This is a good a place as any to post:

Obama to Deploy 1,200 National Guard Troops to the US-Mexico Border

President Obama has authorized the call-up of 1,200 National Guard troops to the US Mexico border, an administration official confirms, requesting $500 million in supplemental funds.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/obama-to-deploy-1200-national-guard-troops-to-the-usmexico-border.html

It's well short of what's needed, but is still a huge improvement over the hack policy of condescending to and bad mouthing Arizona.

 

[Argentum Vulpes]

I really think the point of AZ threating to pull the plug on LA was to point out the idiocy of the LA city council boycott of any entity that has anything to do with AZ. The city council says that if you have anything to do with AZ then we will no longer do business with you. However there was no move by the city council to stop buying power from AZ.

It would be like saying that because Philip Morris (before 2007) makes and sells tobacco products that I'm going to boycott the company and everything associated with the company. However you still buy Kraft food products on a regular basis.

 

[Char. Limit]

Well, I was hoping he'd go through with it, but ah well. I guess we'll have to find somewhere else to fan some flames into a nuclear civil war...

(Note: The above post is meant to show the possibility of the worst-case scenario if AZ had gone through with it. It was not a serious remark, repeat, it was not a serious remark. One more time just to make sure, it was not a serious remark.)