Arm-wrestling -- question about forces

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In arm-wrestling, when hand A prevails over hand B, the force exerted by hand A on hand B does not exceed the force exerted by hand B on hand A, in accordance with Newton's third law. The torque generated by hand A on hand B is greater than the torque that hand B can produce, leading to hand A's victory. The discussion emphasizes the distinction between muscular force and total force, noting that even if hand B stops applying force, hand A can still exert force until the table or power limitations intervene.

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In the arm-wrestling, when the hand A prevails on the hand B, the force of A on B is greater than that of B on A?
 
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Luigi Fortunati said:
In the arm-wrestling, when the hand A prevails on the hand B, the force of A on B is greater than that of B on A?
No. That would violate Newton's third law. The torque on the arm of B from the force from A is greater than the torque on the arm of B that B is able to generate.
 
Luigi Fortunati said:
In the arm-wrestling, when the hand A prevails on the hand B, the force of A on B is greater than that of B on A?
No, see also this:
http://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/physics/horsecart.htm
 
A.T. said:
No, see also this:
http://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/physics/horsecart.htm
OK thanks.

Therefore the force exerted by the hand A (also of the strongest man in the world) on the hand B, can never exceed (not even a little) the strength that the hand B exerts on the hand A (therefore represents its maximum limit).
 
Luigi Fortunati said:
OK thanks.

Therefore the force exerted by the hand A (also of the strongest man in the world) on the hand B, can never exceed (not even a little) the strength that the hand B exerts on the hand A (therefore represents its maximum limit).
“Strength” is not a standard physics concept. Do not confuse it with force, which is.
 
Luigi Fortunati said:
OK thanks.

Therefore the force exerted by the hand A (also of the strongest man in the world) on the hand B, can never exceed (not even a little) the strength that the hand B exerts on the hand A (therefore represents its maximum limit).
I think you need to distinguish between the muscular force and the total force one hand exerts on the other.

For example.. the force B exerts on A could stay the same even if B gives up and stops pushing. If A keeps pushing with the same force then when B gives up hand B will start accelerating and that will make up for the loss of muscular force B was applying on A.

In practice hand A won't be able to maintain the same force on B for very long but while it can hand B will exert the same force on A. Eventually he table will get in the way or hand A will be power limited (power = force * velocity and the velocity is increasing).
 

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