Armature Diameter formula question

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The discussion centers on the derivation and application of two key equations used in electrical machine design, specifically for calculating the armature diameter (D) in DC machines. Equation 1, laD^2 = (W/N)(6.079x10^8)/(Byqr), relates to power output, while Equation 2, la = pi(D)(r)/(pK), pertains to the armature core length. The equations utilize parameters such as output (W), speed (N), air gap density (By), and the ratio of pole arc to pole face (r). The second equation is derived from the voltage produced in the armature, linking it to fundamental concepts of force and torque in electrical machines.

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so, I'm taking up a course on electrical machine design and our professor gave us the equations for computing the different values required for a given specification.

here is my problem:

given these two equations:

laD^2 = (W/N)(6.079x10^8)/(Byqr) --> eq. 1

and

la = pi(D)(r)/(pK) --> eq. 2

where la = length of armature core (inches)
D = diameter of armature core (inches)
r = ratio of pole arc to pole face
By = air gap density
W = output of armature (watts)
N = speed
p = number of poles
K = some constant ranging from 0.667 to 1

equation 1 came from

W = Z*Ec*Ic

where Z = total number of armature conductors
Ec and Ic = voltage and current on the conductor

Ec = 6.45(Bg)(la)(pi)(D)(r)(N)/60x10^8

where Bg = average flux density in the air gap under each pole (gauss)

and

Ic = q(pi)(D)/Z

where q = specific loading

substituting all Ec and Ic in W you can get equation 1.

and then you can solve for D by combining the two equations.

my question is where does the second equation came from??
 
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hmmm dc machines ? We need a 1930's tetbook. I'm away from home right now but will see if i can find a reference.

Meantime -
it's clear the second equation is related to voltage produced in the armature(e-Blv), and the first one to power... remember product of current and flux determines force(Lorentz) , and force X radius detremines torque, and torque X RPM is power... so the terms involved all seem at first glance to make sense.

In old days when we used Gauss instead of Teslas you had a 10^4 units adjustment term and i wager that's where your 10^8 comes from - cgs vs SI units... which does our professor use ?

old jim
 

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